[Help] #WeAreAllZelenskyyNow

[Thunder Bolt]

I’m more than certain that two of our Vanguard Class SSBN’s entire payload’s of 32 ICBM’s with all the warheads attached to the pointy ends would obliterate most of Russia, we don’t have to lean to hard on the French

Just one on Moscow would be enough.

 

[Chicken Run]

Just one on Moscow would be enough.

Agreed and that’s just one missile, 31 to go

 

[heathgate]

Fook me..the flapping going on here is palpable, even across the digital airwaves...

Trump is a fool, a clown of the highest order, he has completely failed to read the room on Ukraine, he needs to back Europe or feel the backlash, even in his own constituencies.

Putin will not challenge a united European (NATO) military because he knows the US cannot sit back, despite Trump and Vance chucking around schoolboy rhetoric.

In a few weeks all will be calm..... if not, then what TF do I know!?

 

[SeagullinExile]

Unfortunately most of Europes weapons are bought from the Americans.
If Trump decides that Europe are restricted from buying them then we won't have the strength to fight Russia without the US backing us.

That’ll go down well with the military industrial complex in the US. Someone would definitely put a bullet in Trumps head if he tried that!

 

[Hamilton]

I’m more than certain that two of our Vanguard Class SSBN’s entire payload’s of 32 ICBM’s with all the warheads attached to the pointy ends would obliterate most of Russia, we don’t have to lean to hard on the French

Sadly, as so much of what we have is reliant on the Yanks our deterrence is about as independent as a Russian electoral observer.

 

[Littlemo]

Please no, I want peace not more bloodshed?

Tbh doing nothing, looking the other way and ignoring the need to strengthen doesn’t bring peace. Wars can be forced upon us whether we like it or not and failing to be ready for them if they come won’t make it any better when it happens.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Unfortunately most of Europes weapons are bought from the Americans.
If Trump decides that Europe are restricted from buying them then we won't have the strength to fight Russia without the US backing us.

Trump is interested in money and money alone. He’s not going to stop billions of dollars flowing into the US like that

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

What about lots of US troops in Ukraine to defend their new rare earth metal mining interests?

Everyone thinks Trump has capitulated to Putin but maybe he is about to outmaneuver him

(And let me reiterate that I disapprove of Trump in much the same way I disapprove of wantonly deposited dog shit).

I think there is a chance this is true. At least I hope so. Maybe Trump is friendly to the Russians in an insincere way (not hard for him) and that will allow for what you describe. At least, that is my rather forlorn hope.

Anyone who thinks the Europeans can step in and take over from the US in Ukraine is severely mistaken. European armies/weaponry are very limited in comparison and it would take years to get to the level that was required. We have gone soft through the decades of peace sanctioned by the cold war and fall of the Iron Curtain. Putin has taken full advantage of that and Ukraine is the first to pay the price.

 

[nevergoagain]

I think there is a chance this is true. At least I hope so. Maybe Trump is friendly to the Russians in an insincere way (not hard for him) and that will allow for what you describe. At least, that is my rather forlorn hope.

Anyone who thinks the Europeans can step in and take over from the US in Ukraine is severely mistaken. European armies/weaponry are very limited in comparison and it would take years to get to the level that was required. We have gone soft through the decades of peace sanctioned by the cold war and fall of the Iron Curtain. Putin has taken full advantage of that and Ukraine is the first to pay the price.

I've also been wondering this as it would seem ludicrous that Trump could be that stupid otherwise, Vance is a proper snake though. Overall there's a load I still don't understand so will read back through, such as I wasn't aware that the aid given by US/Europe was in the form of loans/guarantees etc. so however unlikely to be paid back it's a debt that will sit with Ukraine.

Our military will have been really studying this war and how even conventional warfare was changed since the likes of Iraq. Drones seem to be key now so wonder if part of our planning will be to stockpile huge numbers of these.

 

[cunning fergus]

Massive European military coordination needed immediately
European troops inside Ukraine soon to come
Huge ramping up of weaponry to go straight to Ukraine

Isolate Farage, Reform, GB News and all that lot who are dong the fascist Putin's work for him in the UK

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no massive European military. Like it or not Trump has exposed the consequences of decades of European military decline. This country has less than 20k front line troops and no more than 200 tanks. We are upgrading 148 of those to be the new C3. We are in comparison to Ukraine a military minnow.

We have no industrial base to turn that around either, quite the contrary we are de industrialising at pace and that will continue all the while we have the highest commercial energy prices in the West.

Even if we re-directed the NHS budget towards defence it may not matter, because as a nation, and as Ukraine has demonstrated, all credit to them, you need the will to fight. I doubt Western Europe has the same will to fight as Ukraine. The generation we would look to in this country to take up arms don’t appear to have the same outlook as you.

https://search.app/cwVZiDcNCo5FQDoB9

We should stop the sabre rattling in case we need to pull it out of the scabbard………….only to expose a bread stick.

 

[Poskettspurpose]

Tbh doing nothing, looking the other way and ignoring the need to strengthen doesn’t bring peace. Wars can be forced upon us whether we like it or not and failing to be ready for them if they come won’t make it any better when it happens.

Glad to see Northstandchat armchair keyboard pundits are just as willing and arrogant to transpose their obviously huge intellect into politics. These threads tbh make me want to vomit. You don't 'do nothing' to get peace, you work extremely hard to negotiate and sometimes that means compromise. Sitting behind your keyboard urging others to sacrifice themselves in the name of you ideals is quite frankly pathetic. The whole 'Trump bad - Zelensky good' argument doesn't wash with me. I'm no fan of Trump but Zelensky is no saint and the Biden's appear to have nefarious intent with regards to Ukraine and all countries (that includes the European Union Germany/France) along with their big business and financial institutions are looking for opportunities to exploit and profit.

Read a book before you comment.

 

[dwayne]

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no massive European military. Like it or not Trump has exposed the consequences of decades of European military decline. This country has less than 20k front line troops and no more than 200 tanks. We are upgrading 148 of those to be the new C3. We are in comparison to Ukraine a military minnow.

We have no industrial base to turn that around either, quite the contrary we are de industrialising at pace and that will continue all the while we have the highest commercial energy prices in the West.

Even if we re-directed the NHS budget towards defence it may not matter, because as a nation, and as Ukraine has demonstrated, all credit to them, you need the will to fight. I doubt Western Europe has the same will to fight as Ukraine. The generation we would look to in this country to take up arms don’t appear to have the same outlook as you.

https://search.app/cwVZiDcNCo5FQDoB9

We should stop the sabre rattling in case we need to pull it out of the scabbard………….only to expose a bread stick.

Good post , Interesting. 90% of youngsters wouldn't fight for this country. @Simster and dad's army would be pretty lonely on that battlefield.

 

[el punal]

Europe obviously has to come up with its own deterrent and that leans very much on the French for a nuclear deterrent.

Naturally, we are all Team Zelensky. I just hope the American people realise what an error their leader is making. Zelensky tried to warn him. If he doesn’t help stop Putin now then the USA will feel the pain later. Maybe not tomorrow, but in a few years time.

The internal strife created by DOGE might precipitate a move for Americans to actually come to their senses - we’ll see.

 

[Taybha]

Where's Tom fkn Cruise when you need him.

 

[jcdenton08]

Let’s start at home and get our military spending back where it should be. Shift towards Europe. Get our house in order

And just to add to this, BACK TRIDENT

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - boots on the ground from NATO/European nations - and I don't just mean UK and French Special Forces who are already there. Battalions of combat troops are needed.

 

[The Grockle]

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no massive European military. Like it or not Trump has exposed the consequences of decades of European military decline. This country has less than 20k front line troops and no more than 200 tanks. We are upgrading 148 of those to be the new C3. We are in comparison to Ukraine a military minnow.

We have no industrial base to turn that around either, quite the contrary we are de industrialising at pace and that will continue all the while we have the highest commercial energy prices in the West.

Even if we re-directed the NHS budget towards defence it may not matter, because as a nation, and as Ukraine has demonstrated, all credit to them, you need the will to fight. I doubt Western Europe has the same will to fight as Ukraine. The generation we would look to in this country to take up arms don’t appear to have the same outlook as you.

https://search.app/cwVZiDcNCo5FQDoB9

We should stop the sabre rattling in case we need to pull it out of the scabbard………….only to expose a bread stick.

How many troops would we need to mobilise to help win the war in Ukraine and engage in a wider conflict? 100k...250k?? I strongly believe the British army is much stronger than the sum of its parts, probably the strongest in the world per head but to be effective we'd need 10's of thousands of regular people to sign up, I don't think the 18-35 year olds in this country have it in them to win a war, not in the same way our grandparents did.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Glad to see Northstandchat armchair keyboard pundits are just as willing and arrogant to transpose their obviously huge intellect into politics. These threads tbh make me want to vomit. You don't 'do nothing' to get peace, you work extremely hard to negotiate and sometimes that means compromise. Sitting behind your keyboard urging others to sacrifice themselves in the name of you ideals is quite frankly pathetic. The whole 'Trump bad - Zelensky good' argument doesn't wash with me. I'm no fan of Trump but Zelensky is no saint and the Biden's appear to have nefarious intent with regards to Ukraine and all countries (that includes the European Union Germany/France) along with their big business and financial institutions are looking for opportunities to exploit and profit.

Read a book before you comment.

Ah, an elitist.

If your criteria were applied to every forum, then there'd be precious few posts ever posted. It's part of living in a society with free speech.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - boots on the ground from NATO/European nations - and I don't just mean UK and French Special Forces who are already there. Battalions of combat troops are needed.

There are more ways than one to skin a cat. The USSR collapsed like a line of dominoes due to economic pressures.
Supply Ukraine with the drones and weaponry but keep up the pressure on the rouble.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry to break it to you, but there is no massive European military. Like it or not Trump has exposed the consequences of decades of European military decline. This country has less than 20k front line troops and no more than 200 tanks. We are upgrading 148 of those to be the new C3. We are in comparison to Ukraine a military minnow.

We have no industrial base to turn that around either, quite the contrary we are de industrialising at pace and that will continue all the while we have the highest commercial energy prices in the West.

Even if we re-directed the NHS budget towards defence it may not matter, because as a nation, and as Ukraine has demonstrated, all credit to them, you need the will to fight. I doubt Western Europe has the same will to fight as Ukraine. The generation we would look to in this country to take up arms don’t appear to have the same outlook as you.

https://search.app/cwVZiDcNCo5FQDoB9

We should stop the sabre rattling in case we need to pull it out of the scabbard………….only to expose a bread stick.

All those tactics are decades out of date.