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Surely you mean they think we've lost our marbles?!The Greeks think we’ve gone mad
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Surely you mean they think we've lost our marbles?!The Greeks think we’ve gone mad
If you are in Athens this week, go to the museum at the base of the Parthenon. Walk around the gallery where the “ frieze” is displayed. You will see that the original layout is reproduced with the plates missing reproduced in white with a label…original at BM ( and Berlin and Paris)Embarrassing! Really? Embarrassing……….
Whilst handing them back is probably the correct thing to do now, how in Jesus’ name were you embarrassed by this? It happened before you were born. Unless Elgin actually was a member of your family of course?
Awaits being reported for blasphemy now.
Well now hang on. Rishi did offer to send his deputy Oliver Dowden to meet the Greek Prime Minister in his place - he promptly declined!On another note, it’s the duty of a Prime Minister to meet heads of State. Cancelling a meeting, apart from a national disaster, is just plain rude. Have the meeting, mumble some diplomatic niceties, and leave it at that.
And yet strangely Greece still has some of them unburned. I call that story as BS.My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.
He then decided at this point to 'save' the originals, together with pieces from Erechtheion, the Propylaia and the Temple of Athena Nike and that had he not, they wouldn't still be in existence as they would have been burnt for the lime.
I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history
(And I certainly don't, just giving the other side as I heard it )
Then he did his job. And now the nation of Greece has been restored from the Ottoman empire I'm sure Elgin himself would approve of their return.My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.
He then decided at this point to 'save' the originals, together with pieces from Erechtheion, the Propylaia and the Temple of Athena Nike and that had he not, they wouldn't still be in existence as they would have been burnt for the lime.
I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history
(And I certainly don't, just giving the other side as I heard it )
Yes, I'd heard that too. So he saved them, well done. It's a bit like saving a rare picture from a burning building. You don't actually own the picture, when the fire's out you return it to its rightful owner. So, yes, it's about time we did that. (And if I'd saved a work of art I certainly wouldn't start calling it "Brovion's Picture")My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.
He then decided at this point to 'save' the originals, together with pieces from Erechtheion, the Propylaia and the Temple of Athena Nike and that had he not, they wouldn't still be in existence as they would have been burnt for the lime.
I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history
(And I certainly don't, just giving the other side as I heard it )
Yes, I'd heard that too. So he saved them, well done. It's a bit like saving a rare picture from a burning building. You don't actually own the picture, when the fire's out you return it to its rightful owner. So, yes, it's about time we did that. (And if I'd saved a work of art I certainly wouldn't start calling it "Brovion's Picture")
As an aside I wonder if Scottish football team Elgin City's nickname is 'The Marbles'? I'd love that to be true! I haven't googled it in case it isn't and I'll be disappointed.
I read your comment and picked up the sub-text. To put myself out of my misery I DID google it. 'City' or 'The Black and Whites'. How boring! You'd have thought they could have made some reference to the marbles.Yeah, don't Google that.
Yeah, who accepts second best?Well now hang on. Rishi did offer to send his deputy Oliver Dowden to meet the Greek Prime Minister in his place - he promptly declined!
I mean honestly. These mediterraneans.
Maybe return everything and turn it into flats?Would the British Museum have anything left if all the pilfered stuff was returned ?
This was Elgin's justification, that he was forced to take the marbles to stop the Greeks from destroying their most iconic monument. You have to ask why the part of the frieze left behind by Elgin has remained largely intact, if they were hell bent on destroying it? Elgin's claims are highly dubious, and not helped by him using the marbles to decorate his own private stately home in Scotland. It was only after he got into severe money trouble that he offered them to the British Museum at a knockdown price.My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.
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Yes indeed. Think about your own words.I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history
Remember that when you’re burgled.There was no returns clause and they can pay the postage!
Who would want to meet Oliver Dowden?Well now hang on. Rishi did offer to send his deputy Oliver Dowden to meet the Greek Prime Minister in his place - he promptly declined!
I mean honestly. These mediterraneans.
As a Brit, I was embarrassed in the museum, seeing the big gaps in the frieze. Elgin took about half of it. What I’m embarrassed about is our continuing refusal to return them, not so much by Elgin's initial action, which may or may not have been legitimate. It’s not hard to feel embarrassed by what your countrymen do. It’s something most of us feel during international football tournaments, particularly in Europe. We have a long history of behaving badly overseas.Embarrassing! Really? Embarrassing……….
Whilst handing them back is probably the correct thing to do now, how in Jesus’ name were you embarrassed by this? It happened before you were born. Unless Elgin actually was a member of your family of course?
Awaits being reported for blasphemy now.