Want to vote Lib Dem but won't

[corkster]

All of them. De Vecchi is no friend of Firle. Baker is.

i voted for you in the elections and did door knocking for you, look where that got me

 

[Danny-Boy]

Look at this and look at the date of it 7th May 1999, 11 years ago. If it wasn't for the Lib Dems I reckon we could have been playing in Falmer 7 or so years ago and have not had to waste millions of solicitors fees etc. Cheers Lib Dems, want my vote you can fcuk off.

Look at the poll, did it offer any other site other than Falmer?

The point was, at that time Falmer was due to be part of the National Park. As I think was Waterhall. That made the whole site very sensitive, and it took 2 Planning Inquiries plus a bungled decision by Prescott before the government conveniently took the field at Falmer outside of the National Park, whereas by contrast the Dripping Pan at Lewes is within it.

Once they announced that the National Park boundaries had been redrawn to exclude the Falmer site, LDC announced it was not going to oppose the stadium. Both the LD's anf Tory majorities on LDC opposed the stadium from 1999 until 2007. So you'd beeter vote Labour.....oh.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Both the LD's anf Tory majorities on LDC opposed the stadium from 1999 until 2007. So you'd better vote Labour.....oh.

That's the problem in Lewes.

Even I can beat the Labour Party into fourth place.

And they have a very good candidate standing this time.

 

[Danny-Boy]

So you don't disagree with me then about LDC abusing council tax payers money to pay for solicitors fees, locking out Lewes tax payers from a meeting and flying completely in the face of a massive mandate from the vast majority in a referendum/plebecite.

And it does matter nationally because it shows the Lib Dems (as those individuals on LDC e.g De Vecchi etc represent them) when they have power in their true colurs. Actions speak louder than words.

LDC was responsible to the residents in Lewes and surrounds; the "referendum/plebecite" was held in Brighton and Hove, actually.

 

[Danny-Boy]

That's the problem in Lewes.

Even I can beat the Labour Party into fourth place.

And they have a very good candidate standing this time.

Yes I would agree there, not a usual Party hack. No doubt he will pop up somewhere else in 2015 or whenever, where the Labour Party have a better chance.

And if you think Clegg has interesting antecedents, the Labour bloke in Lewes comes from an Armenian background I believe.

 

[simmo]

Look at the poll, did it offer any other site other than Falmer?

The point was, at that time Falmer was due to be part of the National Park. As I think was Waterhall. That made the whole site very sensitive, and it took 2 Planning Inquiries plus a bungled decision by Prescott before the government conveniently took the field at Falmer outside of the National Park, whereas by contrast the Dripping Pan at Lewes is within it.

Once they announced that the National Park boundaries had been redrawn to exclude the Falmer site, LDC announced it was not going to oppose the stadium. Both the LD's anf Tory majorities on LDC opposed the stadium from 1999 until 2007. So you'd beeter vote Labour.....oh.

I am not really sure what you are going on about you seem to be talking about technicalities over the choice of Falmer or not.

The bigger question is this. Did the Lib Dems, have a positive effect on Brighton (& HA) Football Club, a neutral one or a negatitive one. I think we all know the answer.

Now normally this wouldn't effect me as there are obviously are far more important things than life, but the sheer malicousness (remember they wanted to take the photographer to court over the wanted poster) the pettiness of it, the abuse of democracy (over the locking of the council meeting doors) and the flying in the face of what Sussex needs, makes me reject them immediately from now on.

 

[simmo]

LDC was responsible to the residents in Lewes and surrounds; the "referendum/plebecite" was held in Brighton and Hove, actually.

And as I said in an earlier comment I think only the car park?? is actually in LDC juristiction the rest in Brighton and Hove council's whom were all for it.

 

[The Large One]

I am not really sure what you are going on about you seem to be talking about technicalities over the choice of Falmer or not.

The bigger question is this. Did the Lib Dems, have a positive effect on Brighton (& HA) Football Club, a neutral one or a negatitive one. I think we all know the answer.

Now normally this wouldn't effect me as there are obviously are far more important things than life, but the sheer malicousness (remember they wanted to take the photographer to court over the wanted poster) the pettiness of it, the abuse of democracy (over the locking of the council meeting doors) and the flying in the face of what Sussex needs, makes me reject them immediately from now on.

You're talking about the LibDems in LEWES. No-one else.

LibDems elsewhere (Brighton & Hove, for instance) were either neutral or positive.

You seem to think that the Lewes LibDems are representative of their party nationally. I don't think they are. At least, I have no evidence to say that that is the case.

 

[alan partridge]

Absolutely totally 100% with you. I will never, never, never vote Lib Dem ever again. Their totally vindictive petty campaign against Brighton and Hove Albion FC was almost personal to me. Brighton (mainly Dick Knight and the board) spent millions of pounds of there own money in solicitors fees/planning applications (not on players on the pitch) etc and we as a club have wasted probably a minimum of 5 years fighting them at every corner, while they abused Council Tax money, ignored a huge public vote in favour of the stadium, locked people out of council meetings whom wanted to have their say (how's that for democracy) lied on a technicality about an Area of Outstanding natural beauty (yeah right with a dual carriage way going through it). They more than any party Labour or Conservative have caused our club and therefore me so much arseache over these last 5/10 years they can shove Nick Clegg's PR polished performance up their backside. People should remember this before they put an X next to Liberal Democrat.

good points. well made. Does my head in to see people have a go at Dick Knight when he was contending with this soul destroying crap.

 

[burrish-gull]

Was that Marina "Page 3" Pepper? I've been told that she's no longer a LibDem; neither apparently is David Neighbour, former Chair of LDC Planning Committee, who led the arguments for the alternative Toads Hole site.

I think the LD's have drawn a line under the whole issue, whilst the Tories have conveniently "forgotten" that they stood alongside the LD's in LDC against Falmer.

No, it was Mary Varrell (Bexhill and Battle) strange thing was she said her sons regularly used to go "that Goldstone". This is where some of the arguments on here disappear because she was obvuisly told to toe-the-party-line over Falmer. So YES it did go further than Lewes District Council and YES it did effect me personally, any true Albion fan who votes for that lot is a prize pillock

 

[withdeanwombat]

My local Liberal refused to sign the early morning motion and wrote to tell me that Falmer wasn't in his constituency.Taunton.So he has probably got "o" level geography.I had to excuse him,really,because he supports QPR (also not in his constituency.In fact,I believe him to be the tit in cons tit uency).But I have to vote for him to keep a Tory out.

 

[burrish-gull]

You're talking about the LibDems in LEWES. No-one else.

LibDems elsewhere (Brighton & Hove, for instance) were either neutral or positive.

You seem to think that the Lewes LibDems are representative of their party nationally. I don't think they are. At least, I have no evidence to say that that is the case.

Thats not true in my case I was lied to, it was blatently clear my prospective MP probably agreed with Falmer going ahead but was'nt allowed to say.

 

[The Large One]

Thats not true

Go on...

 

[burrish-gull]

Go on...

I spoke to Martin Perry about this at the time (he kindly rang me at work after I emailed him) and he agreed that it was probably Lib-Dem local party policy to keep together, regardless of them losing votes in other areas of East Sussex. Thats more or less from the horses mouth but I suspect you'll find another way to disagree.

If they come round my house this time they'll get the same response, you lost my vote BECAUSE of Falmer and the ground my dad (he should of) but never got see because he died last year.

 

[Danny-Boy]

And as I said in an earlier comment I think only the car park?? is actually in LDC juristiction the rest in Brighton and Hove council's whom were all for it.

But the ORIGINAL appliocation for Falmer had the stadium right across the LDC ?B and H border. Then the plans were changed.

 

[simmo]

You're talking about the LibDems in LEWES. No-one else.

LibDems elsewhere (Brighton & Hove, for instance) were either neutral or positive.

You seem to think that the Lewes LibDems are representative of their party nationally. I don't think they are. At least, I have no evidence to say that that is the case.

It does not matter, whether other Lib Dems were for or against it. Some Cons were for and against some Labour were for and against it.

But what the Liberal Democratic led Lewes district council and only they, was to deliberately in my opinion, try to make our club bankrupt by pushing us through endless obstacles by deliberately appealing at every stage to push us through more and more and more hoops. We all know that we are/were losing money by playing at the Withdean and they just hoped that we would go bust and hope that Dick Knight would give up as he was pouring his money into the hands of solicitors etc. Fortunately for all of us he did not. The (Lewes) Lib Dems (whom Baker was in effect their national mouthpiece) tried to destroy our club period.

 

[Notters]

any true Albion fan who votes for that lot is a prize pillock

 

[Notters]

But what the Liberal Democratic led Lewes district council and only they, was to deliberately in my opinion, try to make our club bankrupt

Only they...

 

[The Large One]

I spoke to Martin Perry about this at the time (he rang me at work after I emailed him) and he agreed that it was probably local party policy to keep together, regardless of them losing votes in other areas of East Sussex. Thats more or less from the horses mouth but I suspect you'll find another way to disagree.

I agree, it probably was local party politics which meant they didn't support it - the Lewes LibDems threatened to have the B&H LibDems expelled from the party if they supported Falmer. But I don't recall Brighton & Hove LibDems actively opposing it either - hence my opinion that they were (quite pathetically) 'neutral'.

I refer you to post no. 50 on this thread, and although a limp force within the city (two councillors out of 54), they could have done and said more.

In all this, I'm not even considering for a second voting LibDem. However, some on here are casting one council's appalling behaviour as a template for how all LibDem councillors and MPs behave. I don't see how they can come to that conclusion.

 

[The Large One]

But what the Liberal Democratic led Lewes district council and only they, was to deliberately in my opinion, try to make our club bankrupt by pushing us through endless obstacles by deliberately appealing at every stage to push us through more and more and more hoops. We all know that we are/were losing money by playing at the Withdean and they just hoped that we would go bust and hope that Dick Knight would give up as he was pouring his money into the hands of solicitors etc. Fortunately for all of us he did not. The (Lewes) Lib Dems (whom Baker was in effect their national mouthpiece) tried to destroy our club period.

But you're using that as a stick to beat the national LibDem party with.

And, as you have already been told, to say Norman Baker was a mouthpiece for the LibDem-led council is a complete joke.