If Falmer is so abhorant as LDC would have had you believed then why were Brighton and Hove council so for it?
Also when you see Jack Straw's (and others) photos and go past it, it makes you see how fcuking wrong and out of touch LDC are!
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If Falmer is so abhorant as LDC would have had you believed then why were Brighton and Hove council so for it?
Also when you see Jack Straw's (and others) photos and go past it, it makes you see how fcuking wrong and out of touch LDC are!
burrish-gull
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Don't forget that Albions support is much wider than just B and H and Lewes, I live up here on the Kent/Sussex border in Burwash and I know of plenty of not only Brighton fans but football fans in general here who hate them for what they did. The Lib Dem policy on Falmer had wider implications for Sussex as a whole and the short sightedness was mind-blowing. I've lost count of the number of people who support other clubs up here who are actively going to watch the Albion at Falmer when it opens.
The Large One
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The LibDem policy nationally, or the LibDem policy locally?
Nationally, I don't know that they had one. Locally - well, anyone got a red hot poker...?
Didn't because Dick Knight gave millions of pounds of his money to keep paying the solicitors when LDC appealed time after time after time.
burrish-gull
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Locally obviously but I think you get my point, at the end of the day they've lost a vote they would of got over something that was very personal to me but also incredibly important on a local level to alot of people. I tend to only vote on a local level anyway as nationally all these parties are pretty much the same.
Why not the Lib Dems have never been in power nationally I can only see how they operate locally and in my opinion, how they operated over Falmer speaks volumes.
Baker and LDC (De Vecchi) etc may not even like each other, but concerning Falmer they were as one (to me and I am sure to nearly all of us) let us just say I think we can assume that they both opposed it vehemently
I agree that a lot of money was ultimately wasted in opposing what in my view was always, given Labour's need to hold on to its talismanic seats in Brighton - both Lepper and Turner told the "Argus" that they would lose the next election if the Stadium wasn't given the go-ahead - a done deal, despite Prescott's bungling.
However there was and is a lot of controversy surrounding ANY major application to build in a designated National Park area. The point is until 2007 the field at Falmer was within the designated National Park, hence the LDs, Greens, Tories, and a lot of widlife and nature conservation groups opposed it.
Presumably if it had been an airport so would Brighton. Probably if one was proposed right next to Burwash so would you.
And by the way both Lepper and Turner since then decided not to defend their seats in Brighton...
pb21
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If any of you are going to base your decision of who to vote for based on the one highly insignificant matter in the grand scheme of things, i.e. Falmer stadium, then you seriously need to get out more and get some perspective! Have you not heard of the Economy (not just that which exists in Brighton), Climate Change, Wars, Education, Health...............
Admittedly this is a message board about BHFC so there is going to be so pretty dogmatic extreme view points, but seriously!
Admittedly this is a message board about BHFC so there is going to be so pretty dogmatic extreme view points, but seriously!
Yes but I think for different reasons. De Vecchi's was more personal IMHO.
Lord Bracknell
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Baker's BIG mistake, right from the start, was to allow himself to be a mouthpiece for Falmer Parish Council.
By the time Lewes District Council sat up and noticed the fact that there was a stadium planned just across the border, the die had been cast.
Falmer PC opposed it. Baker supported them. Therefore Lewes Lib Dems decided to support them. Therefore Baker was forced to continue supporting Falmer Parish Council.
His instinct is always to play the "I support a local parish council" card. It's what has built him his reputation as "a good constituency MP". On this occasion, he would have been better advised to see the bigger picture and realise just how many stadium supporters there were who live in his constituency who weren't impressed by his support for a tiny bunch of NIMBYs.
The Large One
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Does that mean you would give the same consideration to say, the Tories on Westminster City Council during the 1980s, or Labour in Doncaster?
You're not a member of the Piers Gaveston Society, are you?
Sorry it was his lover Edward II who got spit-roasted...
If any of you are going to base your decision of who to vote for based on the one highly insignificant matter in the grand scheme of things, i.e. Falmer stadium, then you seriously need to get out more and get some perspective! Have you not heard of the Economy (not just that which exists in Brighton), Climate Change, Wars, Education, Health...............
Admittedly this is a message board about BHFC so there is going to be so pretty dogmatic extreme view points, but seriously!
When you realise that nothing ever changes whichever party you vote for and that all politicians are in it for their own gain, you will realise that matters such as a few Liberal Democratic Councillers for petty reasons, stopping me and thousands of other poeple watching my football club in a decent stadium is important.
But as I said Lord B the ORIGINAL plan was to build the stadium ACROSS the border, i.e. partly on LDC land. Then realising that LDC would never give planning permission for the stadium but couldn't oppose the carpark, they shifterd the site west.
What is your point? I have already said if it was a Labour or Conservative council that had done what LDC did I would never vote for either of them again.
Lord Bracknell
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Not so.
The original planning applications submitted to the City Council were for TWO sites - Village Way North and Village Way South. Even the City Council planners were lukewarm about Village Way South. It was the discussion with the City Council about the issues that led to the plans being modified and what we have now - a stadium plan that proved to be capable of getting all the way through the planning process.
LDC's opposition was only a minor factor. The Club was advised - correctly - that this would eventually be overcome. The problem was that NOBODY predicted how stubborn and anti-democratic LDC would turn out to be.
pb21
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I see you point and you’re probably true to a certain extent regarding things remaining the same. We will continue to live in a ‘democratically’ run capitalist based society and all that it entails, both positive and negative. However I do believe that the main ideological differences between the parties, however minimal these days, will create differences in the long run. It’s just not easy to see and there is nothing to compare it too if it were different.
So yeah if you really believe that it doesn’t matter on who wins cause nothing changes, except for local decisions regarding football stadiums, then vote based on that reason. At least you seem to have given it some thought. I just get the impression most haven’t.
The Large One
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I'm saying that the Conservatives indulged in some pretty appalling gerry-mandering in Westminster in order to win votes. Big scandal at the time.
Labour in Doncaster effectively bankrupted the council through appalling corruption and mis-management.
My point is, all parties can and do very occasionally play fast and loose with their powerbase.
It is not the fact that they opposed the stadium I am sure some Lab and Cons did too, the stadium itself is not the truly big issue because after all we won in the end. It was how LDC acted that matters (the use of council tax money, the endless appeals, the locking of the doors, the legal threats over the photograph etc.)
I know all political parties probably all around the world have things like this going on, it is naive to think they don't. If I lived in Doncaster I would probably never vote Labour again if I lived in Westminster I would probably never vote Tory again but I don't and neither of these things directly effected me, wheras Liberal Democrat Lewes District Council's actions did.