[Albion] VAR v Southampton

[luge]

I can't find a replay now I don't have x. From the still that is out there it looks like both are offside, but if the scorer is onside then the other player making an action is enough for offside.

I don't understand why this took so long. In the stadium I felt it harsh towards southampton.

It didn't need 4 mins and 30 seconds to sort out.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

The 'original' decision was not to allow it - lino flagged it as offside, even if he did take his time.

The VAR delay wasn't about the Armstrong involvement. It took them about 4 minutes to work out that the scorer was onside with lines and so on. Then about 10 more seconds to rule that Armstrong was offside and interfering. If they had done it the other way round it would have been done and dusted in no time.

I know all of that but I don't care. Flag going up so late means the crowd have no idea what is going on. Forensic checking of 3 different actions is not what football is about. I worry about every goal we score now. Watching back how onsite Mitoma was shows how ridiculous that is. But I am not paid to watch the line so who knows what VAR is going to decide. Spontaneity of celebrations has gone in pursuit of "perfection" - and gets nowhere near. If the officials thought Armstrong was offside then put the flag straight up. Don't spent 20 seconds jabbering away on headsets no-one else can hear and then do it. And then 5 minutes doing things only the TV watchers might know what is happening - and that is if the commentator relays it. Friday night kick off with 5 minutes where 30000 have no idea what is happening. If that is a sport designed to benefit the live audience then I despair. The pandering to TV is killing it as a live spectacle.

 

[METALMICKY]

Just wow! The number of fans on here with blue and white goggles on is astounding. And we have the nerve to moan about Arsenal fans and the like. It's a rubbish decision and had that been against us this forum would have been in melt down.

 

[boik]

That inactive player nonsense needs to be scrapped, seems to be used as a wild card to favour the big teams.

If you're offside and in the penalty area, you're interfering with play. Simples.

edit: just seen someone else suggested this. Seems obvious?

 

[tronnogull]

The offside player was making a deliberate run to the near post taking JPVH with him and causing Bart to have to take up a near-post position. If that’s not affecting the game then what is?

JPVH complained to the ref immediately.

 

[5Ways Gull]

This! It’s a point gained the way the game actually played out but two points dropped if you believe as I do that Downes should have been sent off

Particularly galling in light of Baleba missing the game following what happened last week. Think he very likely would have made the difference last night.

Surely PGMOL need to do something about consistency, makes refs a laughing stock.

 

[tedebear]

Just wow! The number of fans on here with blue and white goggles on is astounding. And we have the nerve to moan about Arsenal fans and the like. It's a rubbish decision and had that been against us this forum would have been in melt down.

Doubt it, if the rule is an offside player can't interfere with play, then whats to moan about? Not sure why this is such a big deal now we know what rule was being applied. I just wish it was clearer at the time and didn't take so long.

Its the delay and lack of information that creates this vacuum of moanery!

 

[Han Solo]

If we do our job - like making our top half PL team scoring two goals against a Championship squad - we don't have to rely on the ref doing the job for us.

Most competent refs are going to - when they have the choice - talk to a player to keep it 11v11 rather than getting in there and deciding the game.
Deciding the game will instead be done by the football teams involved and we decided not to win the game, which is our responsibility and our problem, and only our problem.

Blaming the ref for us not being good enough is similar to incels blaming women for not getting laid.

Much preferred the ref talk after the Bournemouth game. When we do our job it gets less pathetic to moan about someone else not doing theirs.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I know all of that but I don't care. Flag going up so late means the crowd have no idea what is going on. Forensic checking of 3 different actions is not what football is about. I worry about every goal we score now. Watching back how onsite Mitoma was shows how ridiculous that is. But I am not paid to watch the line so who knows what VAR is going to decide. Spontaneity of celebrations has gone in pursuit of "perfection" - and gets nowhere near. If the officials thought Armstrong was offside then put the flag straight up. Don't spent 20 seconds jabbering away on headsets no-one else can hear and then do it. And then 5 minutes doing things only the TV watchers might know what is happening - and that is if the commentator relays it. Friday night kick off with 5 minutes where 30000 have no idea what is happening. If that is a sport designed to benefit the live audience then I despair. The pandering to TV is killing it as a live spectacle.

I have worried about every goal we score since I attended my first match at the Goldstone in 1969.

I salute your hitherto resilient but, apparently, recently-departed sangfroid

 

[METALMICKY]

Doubt it, if the rule is an offside player can't interfere with play, then whats to moan about? Not sure why this is such a big deal now we know what rule was being applied. I just wish it was clearer at the time and didn't take so long.

Its the delay and lack of information that creates this vacuum of moanery!

I get your point about the confusion and length of time. However, it's ridiculous to suggest that their player put Bart off in any way. Have you seen the post match interview with Bart? He admitted we got dead lucky even with the interviewer ' feeding ' him the opportunity to claim that he was put off. He wasn't and even down cast after the result Bart wasn't prepared to bullshit!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If we do our job - like making our top half PL team scoring two goals against a Championship squad - we don't have to rely on the ref doing the job for us.

Most competent refs are going to - when they have the choice - talk to a player to keep it 11v11 rather than getting in there and deciding the game.
Deciding the game will instead be done by the football teams involved and we decided not to win the game, which is our responsibility and our problem, and only our problem.

Blaming the ref for us not being good enough is similar to incels blaming women for not getting laid.

Much preferred the ref talk after the Bournemouth game. When we do our job it gets less pathetic to moan about someone else not doing theirs.

This, lightly toasted and served with a filter coffee. Unsweetened.

 

[drew]

If you're offside and in the penalty area, you're interfering with play. Simples.

edit: just seen someone else suggested this. Seems obvious?

What else is happening back in the 80s that you can tell us about?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Mildly amused by Russel Martin tripping himself up over his explanation why the offside goal should have been given.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/c98e7z0g5y2o

Starts off well, then contradicts himself and realises it, then winces when he tries to get back on track and finally falls back on "anyone who's played the game" bolleaux.

Also goes on to be annoyed at Fab's "lack of respect" trying to get his players booked.
Downes was doing a good enough job of that on his own, which is why he hooked him.

 

[drew]

Not sure if it's been mentioned early in the thread as I can't be bothered to read all the posts however, the reason the goal was ruled out is exactly the same as the goal that MacAlister scored against Leicester when it was deemed that Mwepu, in an offside position, had attempted to play the ball but missed thus ruling the goal out.

 

[Bodian]

Mildly amused by Russel Martin tripping himself up over his explanation why the offside goal should have been given.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/c98e7z0g5y2o

Starts off well, then contradicts himself and realises it, then winces when he tries to get back on track and finally falls back on "anyone who's played the game" bolleaux.

Also goes on to be annoyed at Fab's "lack of respect" trying to get his players booked.
Downes was doing a good enough job of that on his own, which is why he hooked him.

Yes - he says that it should only be for 'clear and obvious' errors and subjective things should be left to the on-field ref. Then goes on to say that VAR should have overturned the on-field ref's subjective decision!

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Yes - he says that it should only be for 'clear and obvious' errors and subjective things should be left to the on-field ref. Then goes on to say that VAR should have overturned the on-field ref's subjective decision!

Yeah the whole sequence starts like a clear argument, then descends into "Waaah! I want the goal to be given!"

 

[trueblue]

I get your point about the confusion and length of time. However, it's ridiculous to suggest that their player put Bart off in any way. Have you seen the post match interview with Bart? He admitted we got dead lucky even with the interviewer ' feeding ' him the opportunity to claim that he was put off. He wasn't and even down cast after the result Bart wasn't prepared to bullshit!

Nice of Bart, but if Armstrong wasn't there, he'd have barely needed to cover that side of the goal at all. Plus we'd have had a spare defender to help stop a cross to what would have been their only player in the box.

 

[tedebear]

I get your point about the confusion and length of time. However, it's ridiculous to suggest that their player put Bart off in any way. Have you seen the post match interview with Bart? He admitted we got dead lucky even with the interviewer ' feeding ' him the opportunity to claim that he was put off. He wasn't and even down cast after the result Bart wasn't prepared to bullshit!

Of course he'll claim he can't be put off, he's a keeper. If the offside player had actually scored, Barts view would be a heck of a lot different! But thats not whats being adjudicated on. The offside player was making a deliberate run and involved in the play...seems reasonable to me. Had it been us at the other end I would have accepted it too...(probably wouldn't have liked it much)...

 

[METALMICKY]

Of course he'll claim he can't be put off, he's a keeper. If the offside player had actually scored, Barts view would be a heck of a lot different! But thats not whats being adjudicated on. The offside player was making a deliberate run and involved in the play...seems reasonable to me. Had it been us at the other end I would have accepted it too...(probably wouldn't have liked it much)...

Gosh the twisting of what I said. Please read what I said and watch the Bart interview. He didn't claim that he was put off he actually said nothing!

Honestly we have the nerve to get wound up about Arsenal whining about the Veltman incident but we have fans who are also blinded by bias. It's so frustrating.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

If you're offside and in the penalty area, you're interfering with play. Simples.

edit: just seen someone else suggested this. Seems obvious?

Exactly.

This is precisely what the offside law was implemented to prevent - goal-hanging.

Sadly, the current interpretation seems to focus more on judging whether a player’s toenail is a mm offside on the halfway line.