[Albion] VAR v Southampton

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

So Howard Webb is now saying two on field officials and VAR are wrong?

Yeah, that's never happened before....

 

[Uh_huh_him]

If it's true that Webb said that then I disagree both in law and in common sense. I simply don't understand football any more - I'll also remind people that the panel adjudged Gibbs-White nasty challenge on Pedro didn't warrant a yellow card. Madness.

Gallagher's summary was along the lines of players and pundits are split down the middle, therefore the on field decision should stand.
It's what most of us signed up to and goes along with teh "high bar" edict.

As you say, if Webb has come out with this decision being a mistake.....
Very , very, poor judgement from him.

 

[ROSM]

I can only fund Russell Martin saying Howard Webb said the goal should have stood. I haven't seen a public statement from Webb himself.

Maybe he is saving it for his michael owen tv show. No spoilers eh Howard!

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Just seen the clip from Martin's presser.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...sallowed-goal-against-brighton-shouldve-stood

Sounds very much like he's taking a personal conversation with Webb out of context.
Webb's opinion was the on-field decision was wrong, and if the goal had been given VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

Martin is blowing that up into a much bigger, position saying that "the bottom line is it was a goal"
This is a subjective decision, completely open to interpretation.

 

[RandyWanger]

VAR is shit, but so is Southampton, they're going down regardless.

 

[CHAPPERS]

The whole VAR debate is driven by those who force ever more CONTENT down our THROATS.

This would not be a disussion if people like Dermot Gallagher weren't on Sky, from a position on responsiblity as a former ref, saying stupid things like 'by the letter of the law it's offside, but then it comes down to opinions'. No it doesn't you twonk.

 

[trueblue]

Ultimately, the fact that Russell Martin and Southampton are so pissed off about this is making a draw much easier to bear. At least it's amusing.

 

[Justice]

Ultimately, the fact that Russell Martin and Southampton are so pissed off about this is making a draw much easier to bear. At least it's amusing.

All this fuss over a correct decision, when VAR & the ref literally lied and denied us a win at Spurs until Kane got the winner was something to moan about:

 

[Uh_huh_him]

All this fuss over a correct decision, when VAR & the ref literally lied and denied us a win at Spurs until Kane got the winner was something to moan about:

Lets not forget VAR drawing lines on the wrong player at Palace.

 

[Triggaaar]

The second time Webb has bowed to online/media comments against us., on very subjective decisions.

Claimed Kavanagh failing to book Pedro for kicking the ball away at Arsenal was a definite yellow. It wasn't.
Now claiming that a perfectly reasonable, subjective offside decision was wrong. It wasn't.

Cue every Prem manager getting on his case about consistency.
If he wants to open that can of worms, how about Downes getting away with multiple 2nd yellow cards, in comparison to Baleba's.

Bloke's a cock.

Barber should write to him

 

[Triggaaar]

If he touched the ball does that make a difference to offside? I thought the offside situation only changed if a defender made a controlled play. So a minor deflection is irrelevant.

I think it's deliberate rather than controlled from the defender. But not when the offside player is making the defender make an attempt.

 

[Triggaaar]

Just seen the clip from Martin's presser.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...sallowed-goal-against-brighton-shouldve-stood

Sounds very much like he's taking a personal conversation with Webb out of context.
Webb's opinion was the on-field decision was wrong, and if the goal had been given VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

Martin is blowing that up into a much bigger, position saying that "the bottom line is it was a goal"
This is a subjective decision, completely open to interpretation.

I don't agree that's it's subjective. He was definitely interfering with play, therefore offside.

 

[Triggaaar]

All this fuss over a correct decision, when VAR & the ref literally lied and denied us a win at Spurs until Kane got the winner was something to moan about:

I'm still angry

 

[oldboyroy]

So Howard Webb hasn't officially said it was the wrong decision to disallow the goal and no letter of apology? (As far as we know). Its Russell Martin saying that Webb has told him, undermining Var!

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I don't agree that's it's subjective. He was definitely interfering with play, therefore offside.

I might be misunderstanding your point, but the element of "is a player interfering with play" is the subjective element here.

It doesn't matter how obvious you think it is, there was a subjective element as a decision had to be made.

There was a subjective element to this decision as the player in question did not receive the ball.

If he received the ball then it's not subjective.

The subjective element is that the referee etc have to decide, in their opinion, whether his presence met the necessary criteria to be deemed offside. Ie did he make an attempt to touch the ball or did he impact play/an opponent with his presence in an offside position.

They decided he did.

 

[Triggaaar]

I might be misunderstanding your point, but the element of "is a player interfering with play" is the subjective element here.

It doesn't matter how obvious you think it is, there was a subjective element as a decision had to be made.

There was a subjective element to this decision as the player in question did not receive the ball.

If he received the ball then it's not subjective.

The subjective element is that the referee etc have to decide, in their opinion, whether his presence met the necessary criteria to be deemed offside. Ie did he make an attempt to touch the ball or did he impact play/an opponent with his presence in an offside position.

They decided he did.

Understood.