US election (merged threads)

[fat old seagull]

Trump is a selfish, deluded, self-obsessed tw@. He doesn't really want to kill people though does he?

I suspect all he really wants is for people to think he's the man. He wants to be the boss.

Presumably he'll try and be extremely tough and unrealistic in his negotiations, which will do nothing more than slow things down.

Well if that's the case, he is totally deluded. Everyone knows 'Tony's the man'!

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Trump may well be a unsavoury character, but it's nothing new. Take JFK, universally accepted as a great President, for example. Kennedy biographer Robert Dallek described JFK as a "compulsive womanizer" whose insatiable urge for sexual conquests was fueled by a complex array of personal traumas. "Kennedy himself, who could not explain his need for sex with so many women, probably rationalized his behavior as a diversion comparable with what British aristocrats did, or with the golf, sailing and fishing presidents traditionally used to ease tensions,"

 

[vegster]

The BBC has been getting pelters from people accusing them of being anti-Trump wishy washy liberals....great to hear a presenter bite back and say " please give examples if this left wing bias......" " Currently we are only repeating what Donald Trump has said in his own speeches ".

 

[Diablo]

For those of you like me who play cards....A Trump is very usefull to strengthen your hand..

 

[Surf's Up]

For those of you like me who play cards....A Trump is very usefull to strengthen your hand..

Its also something that explodes out of your arse with considerable velocity!!

 

[Prince Monolulu]

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I survived through Reagan and Bush jr...
Trump can't be much worse

 

[JCL666]

This video is worth watching



There was a very similar documentary on voters in the Bradford area in the UK about 10 years ago I think.

 

[spring hall convert]

I think some people get so overwhelmed by their default setting of "all people in power are evil and up to no good" that you cannot see when someone has actually done some good. Obama is one of the good ones.

He's done alright within the constraints he had to work under. He's left with an approval rating of +9 - http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/27/obama-finally-credit-deserves-approval-rating-jumps-53.html

Though I wonder if some of the late boost in this was to do with comparing him with either of the options available in this election.

 

[Guinness Boy]

God no. Please, no more gesture politics (of which Michelle O seems to be queen at) and no more attempts at political dynasties.

If she ran , they would without doubt drag up and quote her saying " this is the first time I've ever been proud of this country" when her husband won the nomination, that alone would finish her, one thing Americans won't stand for is language like that.

Well that quote didn't do her husband too much harm come election day. Buzzer is right, though. No more political dynasties on either side please. Clinton has proven even less successful than Bush and, if Michelle Obama ran, Trump would just promote himself as the ordinary anti-establishment candidate again, despite 4 years in power.

For me, as a Brit, I think Sanders would have run Trump much closer but it wouldn't have taken much for Trump to portray him as a socialist. You might as well be a kiddie fiddler as a socialist in the States and Trump may well have still squeaked it.

What is interesting today is my Facebook. I worked for a company for 5 years that were Canada based but with a lot of US employees. When we worked abroad teams were made up of people from all locations so I got to know them quite well and still stay in touch. By and large the Brits and Canadians are horrified. At least one of my US friends however - Florida based, female and highly intelligent - voted Trump because she believed Clinton was corrupt and unsuitable. We do not understand the typical American voter here. The result of the next one may purely depend on how much "The Donald" f***s up his first four years.

 

[Jim D]

Almost makes you think that there IS a hidden cabal controlling all of this. Almost.

If that is the case the next few months will be interesting. Expect Trump to have a sudden devastating illness or accident. The problem is that Pence is likely to be even worse. Maybe they'll both be in the same plane........

 

[symyjym]

Hillary was pro Bush Blair Iraq war, she was key in the overthrowing of Gadaffi in Libya, and she is complicit in what is going on in Syria today. I don't like Trump but at least he will not be meddling in the Middle East by backing and supplying Sunni Wahhabist rebels with arms that end up in the hands of Daesh, and causing the refugeescrisis who end up in the hands of us.

Our governments have made a complete pigs ear of the Middle East and this can only be solved if the US and Russia align themselves more with each other, rather than trying to outdo each other at the UN.

At the end of the day the Middle East is on Russia’s doorstep so it is more of a serious problem for Russia than the US who caused the shit in the first place. The Middle East is more important to us than the US because it is on our doorstep too, so hopefully Europe, Russia and the US will be forced to unite on a strategy to bring peace to the Middle East.

 

[alfredmizen]

Well that quote didn't do her husband too much harm come election day. Buzzer is right, though. No more political dynasties on either side please. Clinton has proven even less successful than Bush and, if Michelle Obama ran, Trump would just promote himself as the ordinary anti-establishment candidate again, despite 4 years in power.

For me, as a Brit, I think Sanders would have run Trump much closer but it wouldn't have taken much for Trump to portray him as a socialist. You might as well be a kiddie fiddler as a socialist in the States and Trump may well have still squeaked it.

What is interesting today is my Facebook. I worked for a company for 5 years that were Canada based but with a lot of US employees. When we worked abroad teams were made up of people from all locations so I got to know them quite well and still stay in touch. By and large the Brits and Canadians are horrified. At least one of my US friends however - Florida based, female and highly intelligent - voted Trump because she believed Clinton was corrupt and unsuitable. We do not understand the typical American voter here. The result of the next one may purely depend on how much "The Donald" f***s up his first four years.

He didn't say it , she did.

 

[Guinness Boy]

He didn't say it , she did.

I know but I bet Trump would still have mentioned it over and over again had he been running against Barack.

Nitpicking seems to be all you have today. Is that because I largely agree that Clinton is absolutely awful and am not therefore throwing myself on the floor in a tearful mess like half the internet?

 

[El Presidente]

There you go again "The man is a lunatic".... according to you..... but presumably not the majority of US voters or are they Lunatics too ?? Sorry but the way I see it........Anyone with weapons of any sort is dangerous....Many Europeans have nuclear capability as does Putin.

The majority of voters didn't vote for Trump, Clinton had the majority of individual votes, but not the individual states.

Trump has loads of wiggle room. He's been so vague on many policies that he can be flexible in terms of what he tries to deliver.


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[Easy 10]

i thought saunders was a good one in the making but he was obviously bought/scared off.......strange system , especially when you would have thought obama was worth another term seeing as he has dragged them out of the mire......strange system indeed.

Is it any stranger than our own system, where our elected PM does a runner mid-term, and we end up with an unelected PM, tasked with negotiating our exit terms from the EU when she didn't even want Brexit in the first place. And is NOW told she can't do anything without taking it back to Parliament first anyway - the same Parliament that had granted us the referendum to enable Brexit in the first place.

*sigh*

 

[Stat Brother]

The majority of voters didn't vote for Trump, Clinton had the majority of individual votes, but not the individual states.

Trump has loads of wiggle room. He's been so vague on many policies that he can be flexible in terms of what he tries to deliver.


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Vague, wow you're in a good mood today, vague doesn't even come close.

At least he was consistent with the facts:-

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[Fungus]

The majority of voters didn't vote for Trump, Clinton had the majority of individual votes, but not the individual states.

Wow, I didn't know that. BBC shows (so far):

Trump 59,215,097 votes, 47.5%
Clinton 59,390,851 votes, 47.7%
Others 6,022,189 votes 4.8%

That's a lot of upset voters.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I think some people get so overwhelmed by their default setting of "all people in power are evil and up to no good" that you cannot see when someone has actually done some good. Obama is one of the good ones.

A bit like Farage and the Brexit situation then.

 

[Diablo]

The majority of voters didn't vote for Trump, Clinton had the majority of individual votes, but not the individual states.

Trump has loads of wiggle room. He's been so vague on many policies that he can be flexible in terms of what he tries to deliver.


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WRONG The Majority have voted Trump 57,123,323 counted so far compared to 56,178,848 Clinton. 944,000 majority for Trump.