Unemployment benefit/government handouts.

[sydney]

That is reasonable

thank f*** for that ....thought i was going insane there.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Thats the point noone will starve, there is work, its humble pay and not glamorous, but work none the less!

I failed my Maths A Level but even I can work out that 2.6m people chasing 400k jobs equates to 6.5 people per vacancy. Are they meant to job share ?

 

[fork me]

There's a consistency emerging in Cameron's thinking, though.

Cut the benefits of folk who aren't working. And cut the job security of folk who are working.

I'm not sure where he wants to lead us, but I'm fairly certain I don't want to go there.

...and cut the tax for his wealthy mates.
Same old Tory thinking. Look after theirselves and screw everyone else.

 

[Safeway]

That makes it better? So when YOU'RE asked for evidence you take the piss, but expect somebody else to "argue constructively"?

f***ing hypocrite.

I think you need a lay down!

The comment was tounge-in-cheek but there was an element of truth to it. If you say you know Portslade then you'll know the sort of people that frequent the Boundary Road area - it's hardly the classiest of areas and contains a good number of those that are not deserving of benefits. That might make me a bit of a snob but there you go.

 

[Wazzetta]

There's a consistency emerging in Cameron's thinking, though.

Cut the benefits of folk who aren't working. And cut the job security of folk who are working.

I'm not sure where he wants to lead us, but I'm fairly certain I don't want to go there.

He wants to lead us back out of debt and into healthy and wealthy economy, hes a Tory FFS! FACT nos:1 UK is skint, FACT nos2: We are still spending way beyond our means, FACT3: Welfare costs us £200bil a yr, thats NHS, Defence & Education put together, FACT4: We have to address the cancer that is spiralling debt, it will ultimately END democracy! Cutting is an essential part of what needs to be done, this whole mess is because of growth built on debt, can't people understand and see this? Are you that short sighted?

 

[fork me]

the fence , pier , lamp-post is public property

So what? I don't personally see that the state has any less responsibility than any other employer.

If they need something doing, someone should be paid to do it.

.........therefore there is no reason why someone shouldn't paint the fuckers for their dole money......surely your rent paid + 80 quid (neg) is a good starting point and better than breeding a whole new generation of habitual sedentary, untrained welfare recipients.

Except that you're completely missing the point that it puts the people who currently do those jobs out of work.

 

[somerset]

I failed my Maths A Level but even I can work out that 2.6m people chasing 400k jobs equates to 6.5 people per vacancy. Are they meant to job share ?

A fairly simplistic view,.... I dont know the figures but, I would assume that 1) of that 2.6 million, probably at least half are unemployable, for whatever reason, and a portion of the rest are unwilling. I am going to make a wild statement that those who want jobs, can get them if they really tried.... its just that a lot of people cant take those jobs at the hourly rate on offer, as previously discussed here.

 

[fork me]

Theoretically you are right, but in reality what workfare, as it is sometimes called, achieves is to 1) give the person a purpose/reason to get off their arse, 2) Helps the local economy by reducing the council overheads for this type of entry level work money better spent elsewhere in the community, 3) Provides the individual with training of sorts.

and 4) takes the work off someone else.

This reduction of the council's overheads comes straight from the pocket of the guy who painted them before you got some slave labour to do it, and possibly forces HIM to sign on to feed his family along with all the loss of self respect that goes with that.

Totally false economy.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

He wants to lead us back out of debt and into healthy and wealthy economy, hes a Tory FFS! FACT nos:1 UK is skint, FACT nos2: We are still spending way beyond our means, FACT3: Welfare costs us £200bil a yr, thats NHS, Defence & Education put together, FACT4: We have to address the cancer that is spiralling debt, it will ultimately END democracy! Cutting is an essential part of what needs to be done, this whole mess is because of growth built on debt, can't people understand and see this? Are you that short sighted?

Unfortunately Socialists can't see this, they're still too busy blaming Thatcher for all our present ills.

 

[sydney]

do you have any idea how often the fences,piers,shelters and general public buildings in sussex get painted...? do you have any idea how often the rubbish gets picked up along the roads and rail line/stations.........do you have any idea how many dangerous bits of pavement there are around the towns of sussex.......??dangerous for the thousands of oap's who are too scared to try and walk on them...? sorry more questions i know .......washing basket head ...

 

[fork me]

I think you need a lay down!

The comment was tounge-in-cheek but there was an element of truth to it. If you say you know Portslade then you'll know the sort of people that frequent the Boundary Road area - it's hardly the classiest of areas and contains a good number of those that are not deserving of benefits. That might make me a bit of a snob but there you go.

I was brought up in Whitehawk originally, then we moved to Portslade when I was about 6 or 7. I know Portslade VERY well.

None of which makes you any less of an ignorant prick. I've never claimed a penny of dole in my life, however, I've had many friends who have, and my Dad was on the dole for a few years in the 70s, despite the fact that he'd take ANY job to make sure we were taken care of. I can remember being sent home from school for wearing trainers when my parents quite literally could not afford to buy me a pair of shoes.

People like you ARE ignorant pricks, you sit there behind the safety of a computer screen spouting your ignorant shit. Yes, there are some scroungers, however, there's a hell of a lot more who want work but can't get it, and life for them is shit enough without idiots like you.

I don't care if you're trolling, serious or tongue in cheek, you're STILL an ignorant prick.

 

[somerset]

It always makes me chuckle when some on here spout off about the 42 million per year that goes to support the Royal structure in this country, and moan moan moan about whether this is "right that people should get this money that they havn't earned", and "they get all this money for not doing anything", then you are very happy that millions sit on their arses and get huge payouts in benefits and allowances for doing just that, just because they "have the right"...... even if they have never paid a SINGLE PENNY of tax into the system.

Why not ask them to put in a few hours on behalf of the society that is supporting them, why bloody not.?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

He wants to lead us back out of debt and into healthy and wealthy economy, hes a Tory FFS! FACT nos:1 UK is skint, FACT nos2: We are still spending way beyond our means, FACT3: Welfare costs us £200bil a yr, thats NHS, Defence & Education put together, FACT4: We have to address the cancer that is spiralling debt, it will ultimately END democracy! Cutting is an essential part of what needs to be done, this whole mess is because of growth built on debt, can't people understand and see this? Are you that short sighted?

If you're going to use the word FACT so freely it might pay to do just a little research.

Current UK spending :

Health = £125b
Education = £90b
Defence = £44b
Welfare = £110b

Very high level figures but kind of shows how incorrect your right wing rant was !

 

[CHAPPERS]

He wants to lead us back out of debt and into healthy and wealthy economy, hes a Tory FFS! FACT nos:1 UK is skint, FACT nos2: We are still spending way beyond our means, FACT3: Welfare costs us £200bil a yr, thats NHS, Defence & Education put together, FACT4: We have to address the cancer that is spiralling debt, it will ultimately END democracy! Cutting is an essential part of what needs to be done, this whole mess is because of growth built on debt, can't people understand and see this? Are you that short sighted?

The real issue is corporate tax evasion and he needs to sort that out first.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/26/us-vodafone-tax-idUSBRE85P0GH20120626?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

 

[fork me]

then you are very happy that millions sit on their arses and get huge payouts in benefits and allowances

Huge? Have you TRIED living on the dole?

Why not ask them to put in a few hours on behalf of the society that is supporting them, why bloody not.?

I have no problem with forcing people into work, IF and only if, they are paid a fair wage for it.

 

[somerset]

and 4) takes the work off someone else.

This reduction of the council's overheads comes straight from the pocket of the guy who painted them before you got some slave labour to do it, and possibly forces HIM to sign on to feed his family along with all the loss of self respect that goes with that.

Totally false economy.

No, I would hazard a guess that in these times of austerity, a lot of these jobs are not being done at all, at least very very infrequently, so your point is skewed a bit. How is it slave labour to ask someone to put a bit in to get a bit out?

 

[fork me]

The real issue is corporate tax evasion and he needs to sort that out first.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/26/us-vodafone-tax-idUSBRE85P0GH20120626?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Corporate tax evasion, and individual tax evasion from the wealthy.

Cameron was very quick to (rightly IMO) criticise Carr for tax evasion, but failed to mention that his own family riches were built from it.

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Another topic making a dig at those who are claiming JSA - but then looking who posted it, it doesnt surprise me.

I was on it for 4 months (up until a few weeks ago), without it i would have had absolutely no income. I dont fall in the scrounger catagory either, unless taking steps to find work daily is scrounging of course !! Shame that just because about 10% or so of JSA claimants sit on their arses doing nothing, all unemployed get tarnished with the same brush.

Some people seriously need to take a look at themselves before bitching about others.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

A fairly simplistic view,.... I dont know the figures but, I would assume that 1) of that 2.6 million, probably at least half are unemployable, for whatever reason, and a portion of the rest are unwilling. I am going to make a wild statement that those who want jobs, can get them if they really tried.... its just that a lot of people cant take those jobs at the hourly rate on offer, as previously discussed here.

I'd also suggest that is a rather simplistic view. My experience says otherwise and I've been at the sharp end and my partner currently is. Unless of course our experience is just not the norm ?

 

[fork me]

No, I would hazard a guess that in these times of austerity, a lot of these jobs are not being done at all, at least very very infrequently, so your point is skewed a bit. How is it slave labour to ask someone to put a bit in to get a bit out?

No-one is talking about asking them to, they're talking about telling them to.

Forced labour for little or no return. I'd say that's a pretty good definition of slavery.