UKIP Foster Parents

[Chicken Runner61]

Isn't the BNP now the name for the Bangladeshi national party in the uk ?

That's going to confuse some people and cause havoc on voting day?

 

[Buzzer]

I think you are right but , honestly, would you hold the same view if the parents were active members of the BNP?

Yes, absolutely. If you think it right to judge someone a good parent based on their political views then the logical conclusion is that you think all children of UKIP and BNP should be taken into care immediately for their own good.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Don't shoot the messenger - I don't agree with it ! - this was something I heard on the radio midweek but someone reported it as abuse and they had to investigate it and it's their policy to immediately remove the children in case it's true!

I've spoken to a mate who fostered and then adopted and he states that NOWHERE, and I'll repeat NOWHERE, in the process are you asked your political affiliation. That would suggest it isn't important and therefore unworthy of investigation ( unless of course you're in an area run by mindblowingly stupid tosspots who deserve a good shoeing and the sack - more than likely a leftie area ! ).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Yes, absolutely. If you think it right to judge someone a good parent based on their political views then the logical conclusion is that you think all children of UKIP and BNP should be taken into care immediately for their own good.

Or indeed anyone who supports the Greens !

 

[cunning fergus]

Read the UKIP manifesto where they state asylum seekers will be held in secure centres. Once again you totally fail to refute anything I said on a factual basis. Restrictions of the free movement of labour and none on the movement of capital and you still struggle to identify Farage as a typical right-wing con artist?

Hang on, I am not the one chucking out my biased opinions on their policies as fact, I am merely challenging your statements. We have a little more clarity on one of your points here because we now know that asylum seekers would be held in secure centre as oppose to "jailing those fleeing torture and persecution". Had you been clear on that point in the first place I would not have doubted that UKIP had such a policy. Other western countries have the same kind of policy and I am sure anyone scared for their life in a brutal regime would not be concerned about a short period in a dedicated processing centre in the UK. It would not be Parkhurst.

I dont know what else you are saying.........Farage has never been in power so he has not conned anyone yet. I know plenty of political con artisits who purport to be socialist yet beyond singing the red flag once a year are a disgrace to the traditions of Keir Hardie, Attlee and Bevin. Then again you think you are a socialist dont you...............I bet Shaun Woodward thinks he is too..............ask his butler.

 

[Soulman]

I've spoken to a mate who fostered and then adopted and he states that NOWHERE, and I'll repeat NOWHERE, in the process are you asked your political affiliation. That would suggest it isn't important and therefore unworthy of investigation ( unless of course you're in an area run by mindblowingly stupid tosspots who deserve a good shoeing and the sack - more than likely a leftie area ! ).

Yep, that's the size of it.

 

[cunning fergus]

I have not voted for Labour in a General Election since the invasion of Iraq. Your (in)ability to identify my politics is as woeful as the rest of your posts.

You are a wet Tory.....................where's my prize?

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I've spoken to a mate who fostered and then adopted and he states that NOWHERE, and I'll repeat NOWHERE, in the process are you asked your political affiliation. That would suggest it isn't important and therefore unworthy of investigation ( unless of course you're in an area run by mindblowingly stupid tosspots who deserve a good shoeing and the sack - more than likely a leftie area ! ).

I think you need to investigate the case a bit more, you and others are possibly jumping to conclusions and there are many things that could make foster parents unsuitable.
I'm not excusing the people involved in this case because I don't know the facts and I'm normally really critical of Social workers especially possible left wing feminazi ones but if I can perhaps offer a different take?

Not all fostered children are going to be permanently placed with foster parents, some are just fostered temporarily through non abuse or care situations such as divorce, ill health of parents etc.so if the Ukip couple were housing temporary kids and the real parents had concerns about the foster parents views it might be investigated.

From your posts I'm pretty sure you would be concerned if your kids went to live with a Green family and you thought they might preach green policy to them wouldn't you? What if your kids went to a Palace family and started taking them to Selhurst?

For someone to know that the couple were Ukip supporters they must have made their political views fairly well known and just perhaps it was one of the parents that complained - Wouldnt you complain if it were your kids and you had concerns over the foster family?

I'm pretty sure S Services have a duty to investigate all concerns by parents and this MAY be the case here

 

[Westdene Seagull]

From your posts I'm pretty sure you would be concerned if your kids went to live with a Green family and you thought they might preach green policy to them wouldn't you? What if your kids went to a Palace family and started taking them to Selhurst?

Not at all - I'd be equally outraged if a couple were considered "bad parents" because of ANY political affiliation.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Not at all - I'd be equally outraged if a couple were considered "bad parents" because of ANY political affiliation.

You are missing the point - If you were the natural parent you might consider the parents not suitable for your kids and you would want S services to place them elsewhere wouldn't you?

 

[BadFish]

You misunderstood my post - it said that the skills and wealth measures are all good measures for normal day to day immigration ( and assuming you were British then you had to achieve the correct score to live in Oz ) BUT those fleeing persecution should be exempt from those measures. That's what the phrase "asylum seekers excepted" conveyed ). Australia has it perfectly correct but apparently, according to some, it's a racist policy !

Fair enough sorry misread your post.

I agree that Australia has a reasonable balance of immigration but there are many who think that too many foreigners are let in.

I have always found the idea of tough immigration laws coupled with the financial bonuses offered for having children counter intuitive. Especially when, although Australia has a skills shortage and is (arguably) underpopulated, one of the most pressing global concerns is over population.

I suspect it is the weight of history and The White Australia Policy that makes people think the current policy is racist. Although I would be interested to see statistics on the ethnicity of the people who are granted permanent residency.

 

[BadFish]

Or indeed anyone who supports the Greens !

Shit, come and get them....mine give me the right hump!

 

[BadFish]

And you've failed to understand that this happened under your beloved Labour as well. There is no difference. Why would you not hold asylum seekers until they were PROVEN asylum seekers ? Or are you seriously suggesting that the moment someone gets to our borders and says "I'm persecuted and claim asylum" that we go "oh poor you, in you come, we believe you" ?

EDIT - remember virtually every asylum seeker must have passed through a safe country before getting to us.

Please don't do it the way we do in Australia because there is an awful lot wrong with it.

 

[Brovion]

Are you kidding? Posts #51 and #74 are not analysis, they are the opinions of a bigot. But for fairness let's look at Dandyman's "analysis" in more detail so we can explore your unequivical support for his assessment. Dandyman said that UKIP's policies include:

Jailing those fleeing persecution and torture - bigotted bullshit, show me where this is UKIP policy.
Exiting the EU - no shit, hardly exemplary insight.
Removing the residency rights of EU citizens - surely if the UK exitted the EU then we would naturally have no obligation to comply with EU law, so no surprise here. Show me the policy where it says that settled EU residents would be thrown out, which is what this is inferring.
Discriminating against working class migrants - good, explain to me how this is bad for the UK working class.
Removing any human rights protection for UK citizens and residents - Fair enough, but withdrawal from ECHR does not equate to no HR protection......anyway as we have seen on countless cases why should the decisions of the UK courts/demcratically elected Govt be secondary to the whims of a system that has judges from legal backwaters such as Albania, Romania and Montenegro?
Variety of other Monday Club frothing at the mouth nonsense - probably true but articulated in the style of a bigot.
They are a legal party and people are free to support and vote for them - this is true.
The rest of us are equally free to regard them as repellent far right racist nut jobs - opinion based on bigotry.

I responded to #74. with regard to socialism, however I did not respond to the statement:

"Secondly the discrimination is between those migrants who have made a massive contribution to the NHS, public transport and when they existed the manufacturing and textile industries whom UKIP want to ban and the motley collection of high net worth Russian gangsters and Arab arms dealers whom, they are happy to let in rather than the British working class."

Seems like more bigotry to me..........but then again I am struggling to see why restrictions on the labour markets in favour of the UK workforce is a bad thing?

Frankly (and I will say it again) anyone who supports a pan european wide free labour market is either a rabid capitalist (in the spirit of Thatcher) or the f***ing bourgeois. The facts are that the working class of this country have already been sacrificed on the alter of open EU borders and the unions and Labour said f*** all. Actually that's not true they said that about 15k would come.

The old unions, the old labour party and Kinnock stood full square to withdraw from the EU/EEC because (amongst other things) they knew this would happen...........if you think they were "right wing nut-jobs" then its not my knowledge of politics that is limited. But then here's the trouble with politics today, too many up their own f***ing arse about what they represent, they love a soundbite, but f*** all else to back it up.

The interesting thing is ... I largely agree with you. As you well know opposition to the EU comes from the 'right' and 'left' to use the old labels. My opposition to the EU comes from the left for much the reasons that you describe. However when you say "I'm anti-EU" people immediately say "Ah you're a UKIP supporter then!" as if being anti-EU immediately marked you down as a swivel-eyed right-wing nut job. I also happen to be anti-UKIP for reasons already described as they are frothing Monday Club bigots and I make no apology for calling them that, so I accept the charge of 'anti-UKIP bigotry'. However you simply cannot then assume that because I don't like UKIP I'm in favour of a totally free labour market (to pick one example from your rant). Stop frothing, calm down and think. We're actually on the same side! (EDIT: This really reminds me of the debates prior to the 1975 referendum when you had people on the YES and NO platforms who were YES or NO but often for wildly different reasons.)


And this has STILL got bugger all to do with fostering children!

 

[abc]

Yes, absolutely. If you think it right to judge someone a good parent based on their political views then the logical conclusion is that you think all children of UKIP and BNP should be taken into care immediately for their own good.

Fair enough and I agree.

Both the BNP and UKIP worry me but as they pass the rules (whatever they may be) to qualify for elections in our democracy then by definition it must be beyond anyone's right to judge someone for supporting them or sharing their political viewpoint. I was trying to question why many people apply this principal to UKIP but not to the BNP. They're stances on immigration, asylum seakers and British Nationalism are very similar. Many people, perhaps less willing to think with equanimity than yourself, would have supported the council in this saga if the parents had been BNP members.

 

[The Spanish]

Fair enough sorry misread your post.

I agree that Australia has a reasonable balance of immigration but there are many who think that too many foreigners are let in.

I have always found the idea of tough immigration laws coupled with the financial bonuses offered for having children counter intuitive. Especially when, although Australia has a skills shortage and is (arguably) underpopulated, one of the most pressing global concerns is over population.

I suspect it is the weight of history and The White Australia Policy that makes people think the current policy is racist. Although I would be interested to see statistics on the ethnicity of the people who are granted permanent residency.

the same with the UK. it really does distort the debate and has massively shaped public opinion, to the extent that we 'deserve it'. when the only people who bear the brunt are those most vulnerable and who never really gained from the Empire. horrible, horrible situation and a lot of people who feel totally in the right and noble and generous now, will not be treated kindly by history. its worse than the I'm alright jack mentality, the phoney generosity and self congratulation at the expense of others.

 

[Nibble]

that's fine, everyone come to the UK we'll look after you

It's that kind of simplistic viewpoint that stops you evolving.

 

[Nibble]

Given the problems that Council agencies in certain northern towns and cities are having protecting children in their care I doubt Rotherham is a suitable place for any child to be............just a thought.

I don't know where the kids originated. For some people in this world Rotheram would seem like paradise, but as I say don't know where they come from so all assumption.

 

[Nibble]

It is out of line if the sole reason the children have been removed is the foster parents political views then that is unacceptable. Funny how the racists on this board, Das Reich, Bushy et al are up in arms about these people's human rights when normally if anyone on here makes an argument for human rights we are suddenly lefty Guardianista's who want to see the U.K under Sharia Law and run by fundamentalists with hooks for hands and a tendancy to pour acid on their womenfolk.

As for UKIP, BNP etc, again the racists on this board are naive enough to think that UKIP is the "acceptable" face of politically endorsed racism. Yes, UKIP have marketed themselves as alternative and if we wnat change then we have to vote differntly. Well I do want change but I certainly don't want a change to UKIP.

The more nationalistic on this board seem to have done no real research into UKIP's policies, if they had they would realise they are not that far removed from the BNP, both single isue parties, both clueless on how to govern a country. I suspect Das REich, Bushy etc would like to vocalise their support for BNP but know they will be ridiculed and rightly so, so they stupidly see UKIP as some alternative. Well no, they are both fundamentally racist parties run by fools.

 

[Nibble]

Firstly the UKIP being racist...

Secondly.
Labour controlled council.
In a Fostering Handbook (The Good Practice Guide) published in 2010 by Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council, I found the following words:

‘Because the UK is institutionally racist, all white people are implicated unless they actively oppose racism.’

Thirdly.
This story just shows how PC claptrap is actually harming some people in the UK
Adoption: Social workers tried to 'colour match' our beautiful baby like a pot of Dulux paint | Mail Online

You are aware that black people can be racist too yeah?