UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[essbee]

And welcome to the quality of political debate in Britain, a load of sound and fury arguing over whether foreigners or the poor are ruining our lives. Scapegoats getting the blame for all our ills whilst the sharp suited sharks with all the power and all the money continue to get everyone to do their bidding because people are too afraid to lose what little they actually have at the moment.

UKIP are a joke party, it's blindingly obvious to anyone that do not have any solution to the problems faced by our, or indeed any other country. I agree that they connect with the concerns with elements of the electorate, but that is only because those people are not pointing the finger at those really responsible of their plight. The tories don't give a shit either way and the labour party sold it's soul long ago they haven idea what they stand for anymore.

British politics is shit at the moment as it is full of morons or spineless belief-free goons. This just what the corporations and the money want. The plebs fighting amongst themselves whilst they enrich themselves at our expense.

Eighteen months ago I would not have agreed with you on this. But sad to say - you are spot-on
and the selfish and greedy in this country are permeating all aspects of our lives.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

[MENTION=661]Hatterlovesbrighton[/MENTION] -- True. But that doesn't explain why the BBC -- that supposed bastion of "left-wing bias" -- has since 2010 had UKIP reps on Question Time more than twice as often as Green Party ones. That's clear right-wing bias, given that until yesterday UKIP wasn't even a parliamentary party.

Your'e having a giraffe aren't you...BBC is so far left...most of their audiences are packed with left wing voters.
I'm still waiting for a pro EU supporter to tell me the benefits of membership...bearing in mind it started as just a trading pact and ended up with a group who can lay down laws to our elected government...so where are the benefits?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

If you don't want to be part of Europe, who do you vote for? UKIP or nobody. The longer the major parties bottle the European question, the bigger the force UKIP become.

As soon as a major party pledges a referendum within a timeframe, they go away. It really is that simple.

 

[GT49er]

UKIP are a joke party, it's blindingly obvious to anyone that do not have any solution to the problems faced by our, or indeed any other country. I agree that they connect with the concerns with elements of the electorate, but that is only because those people are not pointing the finger at those really responsible of their plight. The tories don't give a shit either way and the labour party sold it's soul long ago they haven idea what they stand for anymore.

After that blindingly perceptive political analysis, only one conclusion can be drawn from your findings - that Labour and Tories are just as much joke parties as UKIP. You forgot to mention the Lib Dems, even more of a joke party, having only two policies -
1). to get into power by any means possible (hence getting into bed with the Tories), and...
2). making us part of a United States of Europe.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I seem to have missed your response to this @Westdene Seagull

Oh I'm so sorry for having to do some work !

No, the point of controlled immigration is that you decide on who to let in to work based on the requirements of the country / economy. So, if we're short of say doctors we give people applying for immigration status that are doctors a better chance of coming here. This would cover ALL countries in the world. It's hardly a new idea and works very successfully for Australia and the USA to name but two.

I know anti's want to paint the policy as racist but it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with what skill set someone can offer the UK.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

you posted that in the other thread

attention seeking din !!
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

its good you recognise what bold seagull is saying...well done...only halfwits fall for that spin....and youre one of them.

Oh, and who is this mfe you speak of? The only people 'marching' in brighton in april i saw were chanting edl.....are they the same?

that's what you keep saying
regards
DR

 

[spring hall convert]

As soon as a major party pledges a referendum within a timeframe, they go away. It really is that simple.

Did I imagine the Tories doing that?

Whether you believe it will happen is a different matter.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

No, the point of controlled immigration is that you decide on who to let in to work based on the requirements of the country / economy.

I know anti's want to paint the policy as racist but it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with what skill set someone can offer the UK.

So the point is that you only let people in to work, if they are able to perform jobs that there is a British shortage of qualified candidates for?

With an exception for NIgel Farage, to employ his foreign wife on public funds, despite the fact there are many hundreds of suitable British candidates for the job?

 

[GreersElbow]

Don't get why it is such a big deal, the people of clacton seemed to vote for the bloke they already knew and had previously been their MP.
It could have been any party and he would still have won.

Very much this, UKIP didn't stand in Clacton in 2010. Which is probably why the Conservatives won the seat with over 53% because it's a conservative area. UKIP are very much, IMO of course, more conservative than the Conservatives.

What will be interesting to see in 2015, is how much Carswell maintains his majority. He may have little to no influence in the House, alas allowing Tories to jump on his ineffectiveness in their campaign. There was said to be a Green revolution when Lucas won her seat, and we've not seen such a revolution. UKIP are a different fish, but only because they are populist, they generally have no real principles and I wonder how long it is before the UK begins to realise that they're like this.

The Labour's majority decrease should send signals to the elite within the Labour Party, their reduction was by almost 5500. We won't know for certain how many went to UKIP, I suspect a large proportion did. But, this does signify Labour's vulnerability to UKIP, which for so long they've denied. Being a member of the Conservatives and having canvassed, the most regular thing I've heard on the doorstep is. "Won't vote Tory, will no longer vote Labour because of Miliband, I'll vote UKIP" Labour's been stubborn on economic policy, they had been stubborn on the EU so alas, leaves the question how much longer will they be stubborn?

UKIP's rise will make for an interesting GE2015; can't say I'm optimistic of a Tory majority but from the looks of it. It won't necessarily be a Labour one.

 

[Nibble]

attention seeking din !!
regards
DR

What's the point of you?

 

[GT49er]

So the point is that you only let people in to work, if they are able to perform jobs that there is a British shortage of qualified candidates for?

With an exception for NIgel Farage, to employ his foreign wife on public funds, despite the fact there are many hundreds of suitable British candidates for the job?

Now she's actually married to him, isn't the wife entitled at least to dual nationality?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Did I imagine the Tories doing that?

Whether you believe it will happen is a different matter.

I think they said 2017 (i.e not within thier current parliament). That's gone quiet. Strange really, as the Tories were seemingly Anti European for years on end when the country were leaning that way. Now with all the Euro zone problems and a bigger swell against Europe in general, they've given UKIP the high ground on the issue. Gone are the days of Ken Clarke shooting his gob off.

No wonder the smaller parties are capitalising, the 3 main parties are like Accrington, Macclesfield and Mansfield.

 

[GreersElbow]

Good job it's first past the post eh?

So, based on this, how comfortable are Labour right now? Are they DEAD certain to smash the GE and march forward to no10?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

So the point is that you only let people in to work, if they are able to perform jobs that there is a British shortage of qualified candidates for?

With an exception for NIgel Farage, to employ his foreign wife on public funds, despite the fact there are many hundreds of suitable British candidates for the job?

I'm not sure why you're trying to put words in my mouth. I've no idea what Farage's wife does nor have I seen the job description but as things stand it is within the rules. You might as well suggest that the people that campaign for 20mph zones should travel at that speed before they are either approved or implemented but you can bet your bottom dollar many travelled at 30mph before the zones were brought in.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Now she's actually married to him, isn't the wife entitled at least to dual nationality?

Possibly, but that's a different issue entirely. She doen not hold dual nationality. She has pocketed in excess of £200k in public fund, to carry out a job that a British national would have loved to take on.

Ukip leader Nigel Farage was put on the spot about whether his German wife had taken a job which could have gone to a Brit.

BBC political editor Nick Robinson challenged him to explain why he employed Kirsten as a secretary on a taxpayer-funded salary from Brussels.

Mr Farage insisted that 'nobody else could do that job', which included checking emails for him at midnight.

‘I don’t think anybody else would want to be in my house at midnight going through emails and getting me briefed for the next day,' he said.

But a fake advert for a similar role placed by an employment agency on its website attracted 764 applications in just 12 hours - 649 of them from UK nationals.

Headed 'PA Wanted For Top European Politician', it stipulated that applicants 'must be able to work long and some unsociable hours up to seven days a week' and described the pay as 'modest'.


It identified the employer as Ukip, which it described as 'a Eurosceptic right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom'.

Rhys Maddock, director of Xpat Jobs, said: 'With our knowledge of the UK and European employment market, we just knew that what Farage was saying was not true.

'There are lots of highly-qualified PAs looking for work and many would jump at the chance to work for a politician such as Farage, perhaps seeing it as a stepping stone to a similar role with MPs or ministers.

Asked whether a British person could take the position as his secretary, Mr Farage insisted: ‘Nobody else could do that job, not unless they were married to me.’

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I've no idea what Farage's wife does nor have I seen the job description but as things stand it is within the rules..

Of course its 'within the rules'. Let's get this very clear - I've got absolutely no issue with a well qualified German woman taking a PAs job in the UK if they so desire. What I have issue with is the fact that Farage is a massive hypocrite.

As I alluded to earlier though, in a flippant aside about the Ryder Cup, its clear to everyone (except those that prefer not to see it) that Kippers don't see Germans and let's say Romanians as the same kind of foreign.

 

[GT49er]

Possibly, but that's a different issue entirely. She doen not hold dual nationality. She has pocketed in excess of £200k in public fund, to carry out a job that a British national would have loved to take on.

"Asked whether a British person could take the position as his secretary, Mr Farage insisted: ‘Nobody else could do that job, not unless they were married to me.’ "

So good to have a politician not going over the side to s**g his secretary then. Honesty and integrity are so important (and so rare) in politics, don't you agree?

 

[Nibble]

I'm not sure why you're trying to put words in my mouth. I've no idea what Farage's wife does nor have I seen the job description but as things stand it is within the rules. You might as well suggest that the people that campaign for 20mph zones should travel at that speed before they are either approved or implemented but you can bet your bottom dollar many travelled at 30mph before the zones were brought in.

He's campaigning on a principal and he's doing completely the opposite of what he claims to his principles. Very different from a speed limit .

As an observation, if you're interested in voting UKIP you really should know about his wife's position and what implications this has on his integrity. Just reinforces my opinion of Ukippers.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

"Asked whether a British person could take the position as his secretary, Mr Farage insisted: ‘Nobody else could do that job, not unless they were married to me.’ "

So good to have a politician not going over the side to s**g his secretary then. Honesty and integrity are so important (and so rare) in politics, don't you agree?

big laughs.

He also employs his (alleged) former mistress.