UKIP are now a parliamentary party

[Nibble]

what fools do you want then
regards
DR

Not your lot the BNP or EDL or whatever little nazi play group it is you get hard over these days.

 

[Grombleton]

Where is it laid down as fact that UKIP supporters don't like foreigners ? Controlled immigration ( note not NO immigration ) doesn't mean there is a hatred of foreigners. Unless of course your suggesting the USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa, China, Russia and many other countries don't like foreigners because they control who can get into their country ?

UKIP is against the EU ( which wishes it was a country ) not countries, continents or foreigners.

The problem being I've noticed is that there's a disconnect - i'm happy with controlled immigration, but it's the fact that immigrants are often labelled as being second class, or inferior "Oh, they're immigrants". "I don't want the immigrants coming over here". A lot of the time, it's not what is being said, it's how it is being said - with a massive, unnecessary chip on their shoulder.

 

[cunning fergus]

I get it mate and I understand whats going on. You are part of a revolt dominated by white faces, blue collars and grey hair: angry, old, white working-class men who left school at the earliest opportunity and lack the qualifications to get ahead in 21st-century Britain. The UKIP voters typically struggle financially, worry about the future, and loathe the political class, not just Cameron and the Conservatives. For all this you need a scapegoat and immigration is it for you, you only need one issue to grasp hold of. But its a democracy isn't it and whilst we're in one we will get the BNP, UKIP extremists trying to get the voice heard.

Very true, and when those angry old white working class halfwits were in their late teens and twenties most of them were no doubt fighting for this country's survival in the face of a German dominated european continent, who were in league with fascist allies in France, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Spain, Italy, Romania, Finland Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia et al.

They can no doubt remember the prospect of the UK's independence being crushed by the whims of unelected europeans making decisions on every aspect of their lives, from the colonisation of their cities and towns by the descendants of their fascist enemies, to imprisonment for using the wrong weights and measures and worst of all the imposition of shit light bulbs and vacum cleaners.

Little wonder they are in revolt.......................especially when people like you smear shit on their sacrifice because they have the temerity to want to create change through democracy.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

not your lot the bnp or edl or whatever little nazi play group it is you get hard over these days.

hark at this plank
regards
DR

 

[beorhthelm]

1. There would not have been a NATO without the EU. The US insisted on some kind of European unity after the war

2. The EU is not the only issue. What does UKIP say about other things?. Did you read their manifesto in 2010? I did and it was absolutely laughable - flat taxes, NHS privatisation, huge increases in police and armed forces etc

3. Ask yourself what would have happened to Spain Greece and Ireland if they had not been part of the EU. Do any of their populations want to leave the EU? Not on your life they don't because they know how "cold" life would be on the outside.

is it possible to be any more wrong and mis-informed on the subject as this? NATO pre-dates the EU or any of its predecessor organisations, 1949 vs 1951 for the European Coal and Steel Community or 1957 for EEC, and for much of the time France hasnt been in NATO. if Spain, Greece and Ireland hadn't been in the Euro (being in the EU is secondary) they they wouldnt have got themselves in the financial mess in the first place. and substantial amounts of in their populations do want to leave. i would ask whats laughable about flat tax, NHS privatisation or increasing police and armed forces, but i dont believe you'd offer any sort of credible argument.

 

[Nibble]

hark at this plank
regards
DR

You make no secret of your association with these right wing organisations so don't act shocked when someone mentions it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

they(anti UKIP) just keep throwing the tried and tested responses AT FOUNDED SOLID ARGUMENTS, heads in the sand wet wipes the lot of them
regards
DR

Never thought of you as a satirist DR. Very good.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You make no secret of your association with these right wing organisations so don't act shocked when someone mentions it.

do i , i've posted on the MFE thread IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ON ABOUT, GIVE IT UP YOU FOOL YOU'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
regards
DR

 

[Westdene Seagull]

i would ask whats laughable about flat tax, NHS privatisation or increasing police and armed forces, but i dont believe you'd offer any sort of credible argument.

Indeed, large chunks of the NHS is run by private contractors already ( and people actually enjoy being treated to the higher standard in private hospitals ) but it is still free at the point of delivery which is the mantra of the NHS.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Where is it laid down as fact that UKIP supporters don't like foreigners ? Controlled immigration ( note not NO immigration ) doesn't mean there is a hatred of foreigners. Unless of course your suggesting the USA, Australia, Canada, South Africa, China, Russia and many other countries don't like foreigners because they control who can get into their country ?

UKIP is against the EU ( which wishes it was a country ) not countries, continents or foreigners.

UKIP immigration policy = IN: Aryan Europe, White Commonwealth, plucky Poles. OUT: Bongo Bongo Land, Czechoslavia, Ruromania and other Iron Curtain scum (n.b. fit nanny "sluts" get extended visa until the age of 30).

 

[vegster]

Restricting foreigners on football teams

"Ukip feels the [lack of success of British teams] is largely a legacy of many British teams having too few British players in the team, and teams like Arsenal have taken to the field in the recent past with none whatsoever … Ukip would place a maximum of three foreign players in the starting line-up, as this would free up places for British players in the youth academies of these teams and spur the future development of home teams."

Proper dress in theatres

"Ukip will encourage a return to proper dress for major hotels, restaurants and theatres – smarter dress is part of Britishness, although it is also a British virtue to encourage innovation in fashion."

Investigating discrimination against white people at the BBC

"Ukip will pursue inquiries into alleged discrimination in favour of ethnic minority candidates in media outlets, such as the BBC, where there are allegations that white presenters had training stopped when training continued for non-white presenters."

Teaching more about the British empire and role of Arabs and Africans in slavery

"The patchy and biased teaching of history in schools, often very anti-British, is a major problem for a cohesive society. Part of the improved teaching will be a fair and factual analysis of the history of the British empire, which celebrates its achievements in terms of democracy, law, freedoms and trade and does not just acknowledge its faults. The issue of slavery in particular would also reflect the greater levels of trade by Arab slave traders (including the seizing of English citizens for slaves from the south-west), the role of African tribes in the trade and [William] Wilberforce's world-leading abolition campaign."

Making the Circle line a circle again

"Ukip will return London's Circle line to a circle – the complete circular service recently stopped. We will build grade-separated junctions to improve the number of trains and their reliability at Edgware Road, Gloucester Road and Aldgate."

Referendum on new mosques and banning the burqa

"Ukip would ban the wearing of the burqa and niqab veils in public places, as facial coverings are a major symbol of Wahhabism. Ukip would require a referendum for the building of any new religious place of worship, including mosques and 'Mega Mosques'."

Inquiry into Muslim-dominated 'no-go' areas

"Ukip is deeply concerned at the death threats made to Bishop Nazir Ali, the courageous bishop of Rochester, and the feeble reaction and false denial by the political establishment of his claims that there are Muslim-dominated 'no-go' areas in Britain. Ukip will hold a wide-ranging public inquiry to establish the truth into claims of 'no-go' areas and their causes, if proven."

Cancelling visas for failure to uphold British values

"All visas issued to non-British citizens will contain a summary of British values, and a commitment to uphold those values. Conspicuous failure to uphold those values, such as violent or criminal behaviour, will lead to the visa being automatically cancelled."

Glamorous railways

"Ukip will encourage a return to the glamour, grace and style of the railway companies of the past through its railway policies. Ukip seeks a return to 'Pullman' trains where justified, with appropriate branding such as 'Great Western Railway', one of the most successful British brands ever."

Giving MPs more freedom over their expenses

"We believe that in reality MPs must be awarded a degree of freedom and trust to manage their affairs, despite the recent scandals, and that providing opportunities to enrich themselves through the office are properly restricted … any small and inconsequential 'gains' such as first-class travel ought simply to be considered a minor perk and there is a practical need for MPs to be able to work during frequent travelling. It is unreasonable and unfeasible to ensure efficient and appropriate use for every £1, however the overall system must prevent excessive abuses being possible."

Restoration of imperial measures and the crown symbol on pint glasses

"Ukip would restore imperial measures for all weights and measures, restoring the crown symbol on pint glasses (now illegal under EU rules), safeguarding the mile, allowing the sale of vegetables and fruit in pounds and ounces, restoring acres not hectares, and require all media, businesses, schools and colleges to use imperial alongside metric measurements."

Repainting the trains in traditional colours

"The unseemly haste with which National Express destroyed the quality GNER brand by painting out its heraldry on service trains standing at rail stations was a disgrace. As with the iconic red bus in London, so the government should insist on a modernised form of traditional branding – chocolate and cream for Great Western, scarlet red for Midland, apple green for the east coast. These are icons of Britishness. Go-Ahead has shown the way with an excellent, tasteful branding of its Southern network."

Banning windfarms in case they harm fish

"Ukip would oppose all wind generated electrical power, particularly offshore, on cost and efficiency grounds. Offshore windfarms would impinge on established fishing grounds and there has been no research on how the magnetic and sonic vibrations of big wind turbines mounted on huge towers in deep water might affect fish."

The same income tax level for rich and poor

"Ukip will combine income tax and national insurance into a flat-rate income tax of 31% for all incomes over £11,500."

More swearing of allegiance to the Queen

"We deeply regret the drift towards swearing oaths of allegiance to the state rather than the monarchy, as with new policemen, which ignores the carefully balanced constitutional arrangement of Britain and risks elevating the authority of the government further. Ukip would require a comprehensive return to swearing allegiance to the Crown from all public servants and British subjects."

Cheaper beer

"Ukip would cut duty and taxes on traditional draught beers such as real ale, ciders and some lagers. Ukip would also allow landlords to write off against tax promotional costs for traditional beers through pub posters, beer mats and giveaways."

Opt-in sex education

"We will abolish 'Circle Time' discussion groups and scrap sex and relationships education in schools completely for children under the age of 10, except in the context of biology. We will make it optional for 10- to 11-year-olds – with parents choosing to opt their children in rather than having to opt out."

Banning European studies at universities

"We will abolish all lectureships and courses in European studies, including the 357 Jean Monnet projects in British universities. These are funded by the European Union, and are little more than avenues for pro-EU propaganda."

Letting schools bring back the cane

"We will pass legislation that establishes beyond doubt that schools and teachers have the right to discipline pupils without fearing legal action. Ukip will also give schools the choice of whether or not to use corporal punishment, but does not advocate this as a party."

Abolishing statutory maternity pay

"Rather than playing the 'money-go-round' with the attendant administrative burden, Ukip would abolish SMP entirely and simply allow parents who stay at home with their children to claim a weekly parental allowance set at the same level as the basic cash benefit proposed in our welfare policy (in other words, around £64 per week for parents aged 25 and above) regardless of how long they are off work and regardless of the other spouse's income."

No more 'equality' laws

"Ukip would scrap most 'equality and discrimination' legislation, cap all compensation payments and allow common sense to prevail. Ukip would punish fraudulent, mischievous complainants, including punishment for legal representatives who institute grossly excessive, speculative or fraudulent claims (such as some 'no win no fee' solicitors) through legal sanctions."

This is like the game they play on BBC Radio Sussex just before 8 am, where Neil Pringle has to guess the one true news story out of three read out on air isn't it ? Spot the genuine UKIP policies while 2 thirds are made up ? At least I hope 2 thirds are made up ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

UKIP immigration policy = IN: Aryan Europe, White Commonwealth, plucky Poles. OUT: Bongo Bongo Land, Czechoslavia, Ruromania and other Iron Curtain scum (n.b. fit nanny "sluts" get extended visa until the age of 30).

Story time is usually just before bedtime you know.

 

[spring hall convert]

Very true, and when those angry old white working class halfwits were in their late teens and twenties most of them were no doubt fighting for this country's survival in the face of a German dominated european continent, who were in league with fascist allies in France, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Spain, Italy, Romania, Finland Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia et al.

They can no doubt remember the prospect of the UK's independence being crushed by the whims of unelected europeans making decisions on every aspect of their lives, from the colonisation of their cities and towns by the descendants of their fascist enemies, to imprisonment for using the wrong weights and measures and worst of all the imposition of shit light bulbs and vacum cleaners.

Little wonder they are in revolt.......................especially when people like you smear shit on their sacrifice because they have the temerity to want to create change through democracy.

I was thinking about this t'other day, this argument is pretty much redundant now isn't it?

If you saw action in WW2 you would have to have been 16 or 18 in 1945, born in 1927 or 1929 if conscription was 16. You'd have to be at least 85. What proportion of our population is 85+?

The people voting for UKIP are the baby boomers. The generation that had it all and f***ed it up. No wonder they're so bitter.

And comparing the EU to the Nazis is pretty disrespectful to the reasons that people did bravely lose their lives for us IMHO. It's a Britain First tactic.

 

[piersa]

There is some good debate here on this subject. Then, every now and then, nibble joins in.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

no need to get picky over this subject , the FACTS are UKIP IS A PARTY THAT IS ATTRACTING a lot of interest from the electorate , IF YOU WANT TO DISMISS THAT FAIR DO'S but you can't deny the FACTS ,anyone who does is a clown in my books and in denial, ask yourself ,what is it that people find appealing about UKIP that has given them the confidence to vote for them
regards
DR

 

[Nibble]

Carswell is quite a man. Against same sex marriage and gay rights, wants to scrap the disciplinary procedure in the work place so employers can fire an employee with no formal procedure and no right of appeal. He designated a £1m flat as one of his official properties claiming £32,000 in expenses in one year for items such as sheets and a love seat and the next year he claimed a record £39,000 in expenses. He was also involved in the house flipping scandal.

Well done Ukippers. Another winner.

 

[Grombleton]

Very true, and when those angry old white working class halfwits were in their late teens and twenties most of them were no doubt fighting for this country's survival in the face of a German dominated european continent, who were in league with fascist allies in France, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Spain, Italy, Romania, Finland Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia et al.

They can no doubt remember the prospect of the UK's independence being crushed by the whims of unelected europeans making decisions on every aspect of their lives, from the colonisation of their cities and towns by the descendants of their fascist enemies, to imprisonment for using the wrong weights and measures and worst of all the imposition of shit light bulbs and vacum cleaners.

Little wonder they are in revolt.......................especially when people like you smear shit on their sacrifice because they have the temerity to want to create change through democracy.

Hang on...are you comparing UKIP to fighting Nazism?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Story time is usually just before bedtime you know.

I'll make sure it's a proper British story like The Famous Five and not some Bongo Bongo Land rot like 'The Lion King'.

 

[Nibble]

do i , i've posted on the MFE thread IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ON ABOUT, GIVE IT UP YOU FOOL YOU'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES
regards
DR

We all know what you are.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

we all know what you are.

all my fans love me , don't you worry
regards
DR