[News] UK Independence Day 28/29 March 2018

[Hastings gull]

It's a great idea.
A day to commemerate the day this country finally goes down the plug hole, thanks to a small majority of blinkered idiots who still believe this is a great country that can survive on its own in the modern world and an army of soon to be dead old folk that do not like Johnny Foreigner and in doing so have stitched up the young people including their own grandchildren who were not allowed to vote for their own future.
I hope Vera Lynn is still alive so that you can all gather together on the white cliffs in your Union Jack shorts flicking V's at the frogs and having a sing song.

Talk about arrogance - even by your standards. You presumably are not an idiot, are you? The arrogance of this post is matched only by its simplicity - all old people are idiots, whereas in my experience, older folk just tend to be that shade wiser. You would seem to have a lot to learn.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Japan is up to its neck in public debt though...I think it has the highest debt in the world which is quite impressive given its size.....actually....I’m starting to see the similarity.

you only see what you want to see
regards
DR

 

[Billy the Fish]

We don't know what the effect of leaving the EU will be but one thing I can answer is the question of subsidies. The government has guaranteed to pay farmers pound for pound what they received from the EU ... but only until 2022 and the next election.

After that, it's anyone's guess. Michael Gove says subsidies will have to be earned and given to farmers who protect the environment. The indications are that large owners will lose out and smaller farmers would benefit. If Labour wins: who knows? But I can't see Corbyn splashing out on wealthy landowners either.


I should add that I'm delighted with Gove's stance.The inefficiency of the CAP was probably the biggest single reason that I voted to leave the EU and we can completely reshape rural policy in this country.

Top post. CAP is an absolute disgrace and that alone is a good enough reason to vote leave.

 

[vegster]

...or until the whole discussion becomes totally irrelevant, when history takes its natural course and the EU crashes and burns, as it inevitably will. It beggars belief that people are not considering this likelihood but then maybe they are not studying history or watching political movement in Europe. Hell bent on expansionism, they are creating a monster that will gradually eat itself from within.
Without Britain it is weakened. Without Germany, it is finished. Watch this space.

Everything crashes and burns in the end, The Mayan's, The Egyptians, The Mongols and Rome, history is littered with alliances and subsequent divisions but the EU is hardly a monster. Don't be such a drama queen.

 

[vegster]

Top post. CAP is an absolute disgrace and that alone is a good enough reason to vote leave.

I take it you are NOT a Welsh hill farmer ?

 

[Two Professors]

Thanks mate. I love you too you patronising wanker.

I was in Aldi in Crawley and a lot of the stuff I picked up were manufactured in Germany, at least according to the labels...but as you are such a nowall, perhaps I misread the labels...can you put me right then?

So you picked up a few hardware items and jumped to the conclusion that most of their stuff was German.I posted that I had experience of Aldi for a long time and their policy on sourcing products and how that turns into percentages stocked by country of origin.That does not make me a patronising wanker,it makes me right.

 

[Thecoffeecake]

Are there many leftists that oppose the EU in the UK? That's my position, and while I appreciate the disintegration of Europe, I obviously do not agree with the xenophobic platform that (from my understanding) drove Brexit. Any of you vote Leave because you feel Europe is bad for the worker, or did just about everyone vote along partisan lines?

 

[Billy the Fish]

I take it you are NOT a Welsh hill farmer ?

I've got no problem with subsidies if they go to farmers who are producing food and it's done in an efficient way. Do some research into how the CAP works and why it can't be reformed,v you might then change your tune.

 

[GT49er]

Are there many leftists that oppose the EU in the UK? That's my position, and while I appreciate the disintegration of Europe, I obviously do not agree with the xenophobic platform that (from my understanding) drove Brexit. Any of you vote Leave because you feel Europe is bad for the worker, or did just about everyone vote along partisan lines?

There's always been significant left wing opposition to the EU. One of the main opponents of joining, and a prominent voice in the 'No' campaign back in the 70s with Tony Benn, a lefty violently reviled by the Daily Mail, Daily Express etc. A true demon red-under-the-bed, Russia loving, dangerous left wing commie b@st@rd! There were probably parents around who threatened their kids with him if they were naughty!
Some of us who voted with him back in 1975 have kept the faith with those views - and with Labour (albeit with some difficulty at times!) - and have still been around to vote Leave last year. We've had to wait long enough for a chance to vote on the EU! Our existence seems to particularly annoy some remainers, as it goes against their mind-set that all leave voters are fascist, racist Daily Mail readers with the IQ of a sock.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There's always been significant left wing opposition to the EU. One of the main opponents of joining, and a prominent voice in the 'No' campaign back in the 70s with Tony Benn, a lefty violently reviled by the Daily Mail, Daily Express etc. A true demon red-under-the-bed, Russia loving, dangerous left wing commie b@st@rd! There were probably parents around who threatened their kids with him if they were naughty!
Some of us who voted with him back in 1975 have kept the faith with those views - and with Labour (albeit with some difficulty at times!) - and have still been around to vote Leave last year. We've had to wait long enough for a chance to vote on the EU! Our existence seems to particularly annoy some remainers, as it goes against their mind-set that all leave voters are fascist, racist Daily Mail readers with the IQ of a sock.

Every Prime Minister living of either party, is for Remain.

 

[Gwylan]

Are there many leftists that oppose the EU in the UK? That's my position, and while I appreciate the disintegration of Europe, I obviously do not agree with the xenophobic platform that (from my understanding) drove Brexit. Any of you vote Leave because you feel Europe is bad for the worker, or did just about everyone vote along partisan lines?

I consider myself on the left and I voted to leave (although I had no problems with freedom of movement), There are many Labour left-wingers who voted to leave and it's the official policy of the Socialist Party, The Socialist Party of GB, the SWP and the Communists

 

[GT49er]

Every Prime Minister living of either party, is for Remain.

Yes, I don't doubt that (although Corbyn's attachment to the EU dream is at best questionable). A majority of Westminster politicians are pro remain too. These are the people who found out last year, much to their dismay, that they weren't in touch with the feelings of a majority of voters outside their cosy Westminster bubble.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, I don't doubt that (although Corbyn's attachment to the EU dream is at best questionable). A majority of Westminster politicians are pro remain too. These are the people who found out last year, much to their dismay, that they weren't in touch with the feelings of a majority of voters outside their cosy Westminster bubble.

Corbyn isn't a Prime Minister yet.

 

[GT49er]

Corbyn isn't a Prime Minister yet.

Point taken. The rest of my post stands, however. Out of touch politicians lost a referendum they only called because they thought they couldn't lose.

 

[Dave the OAP]

So you picked up a few hardware items and jumped to the conclusion that most of their stuff was German.I posted that I had experience of Aldi for a long time and their policy on sourcing products and how that turns into percentages stocked by country of origin.That does not make me a patronising wanker,it makes me right.

I rest my case..patronising wanker

 

[Thecoffeecake]

There's always been significant left wing opposition to the EU. One of the main opponents of joining, and a prominent voice in the 'No' campaign back in the 70s with Tony Benn, a lefty violently reviled by the Daily Mail, Daily Express etc. A true demon red-under-the-bed, Russia loving, dangerous left wing commie b@st@rd! There were probably parents around who threatened their kids with him if they were naughty!
Some of us who voted with him back in 1975 have kept the faith with those views - and with Labour (albeit with some difficulty at times!) - and have still been around to vote Leave last year. We've had to wait long enough for a chance to vote on the EU! Our existence seems to particularly annoy some remainers, as it goes against their mind-set that all leave voters are fascist, racist Daily Mail readers with the IQ of a sock.

The media always controls the narrative, especially an overseas audience. Even my very left friends act like I was happy to see a fascist movement prevail when we talk about Brexit and the EU.

 

[GT49er]

The media always controls the narrative, especially an overseas audience. Even my very left friends act like I was happy to see a fascist movement prevail when we talk about Brexit and the EU.

Is the US media anti-Brexit, then? (just asking - I've no idea).

 

[pastafarian]

Argue it out with Professor Brian Cox.

http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/professor-brian-cox-wades-twitter-745570

Why?
He has tweeted to include....."Industry representatives want free trade for seafood at Grimsby and Immingham ports".........which is what i said.
Im sure he is not daft enough to think that if you set yourself up as an International free trade port it is only specific to European trade.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Every Prime Minister living of either party, is for Remain.

who cares we're leaving
regards
DR

 

[5ways]

The UK has not been a serious world power since the end of the 2nd world war- and at a stretch the end of Empire

Joining the EU was a country giving up its status as a world power. Leaving the EU may give this country a chance to be a tiger economy like Hong Kong was, or Japan, which has one of the largest economies in the world whilst being independent and not being part of a 27 nation club.

Serious world power in that we retained a strong and important voice, we are becoming easier to ignore and Brexit is playing an important part in that. What made 'tiger' economies work was that they were built up from a very low base, were totally dominated by the state, focused entirely on exports and very homogenous - absolutely nothing like the current UK economy. Japan has twice our population and about twice our GDP - funny that. It also has all sorts of problems relating to aging and debt. Japan was rapidly re-industralised by the US after WW2 and given preferential trade deals which allowed them to create world-beating corporations.