[Albion] Tuchel announces his first England squad tomorrow, are we expecting any Brighton players to make the cut?..

[Guinness Boy]

I've been suggesting it for years.
Yes, Dan Burn had one bad game against Adama Traore. If we look at Englands other options, they've also had one bad game against one player or another.

The biggest issue people have had with Dan Burn is always that a 2m defender playing as left back doesn't fit their idea of what a left back is, so any poor game or any mistake he does is counted ten-folded because of confirmation bias.

Adama is not really one player or another. He’s an Olympic sprinter or Wide Receiver but with the ball skills of a Jack Russell puppy. Let’s hope none of these international teams have a player with pace.

 

[Randy McNob]

Told ya. Not a ball kicked in anger and already clueless, Jordan Henderson? and he picked 6 centre halfs including a past-it Burn! We know where this is going

and the FA would have you believe there isn't a single Englishman on these shores who could do better! FA OUT.....

 

[Han Solo]

Adama is not really one player or another. He’s an Olympic sprinter or Wide Receiver but with the ball skills of a Jack Russell puppy. Let’s hope none of these international teams have a player with pace.

Right, don't have the energy to argue against your great logics.

I'll just admit defeat: Dan Burn is shit because he had a bad game five years ago.

 

[keaton]

If they

Dan Burn is a footballer who should be applauded for making the absolute best of his limited skills and talent. But an international defender he ain't.

Whereas the rest of the defenders don't have the ability and/or don't make the best of it.

If there are a load more England qualified left sided CBs or LBs who's are better than him it's odd that they don't appear to play in the PL or Championship or have been called up previously by England

 

[Guinness Boy]

Right, don't have the energy to argue against your great logics.

I'll just admit defeat: Dan Burn is shit because he had a bad game five years ago.

Nope. He’s not international class because he’s distinctly average and has a weakness against pace as evidenced by an incident most Brighton fans will find it easy to remember.

 

[Han Solo]

Nope. He’s not international class because he’s distinctly average and has a weakness against pace as evidenced by an incident most Brighton fans will find it easy to remember.

Like I said, I admit defeat. I'll accept these arguments as well: Dan Burn isn't good enough to play against Albania, Latvia and Andorra, he's the only player in the England squad who has ever struggled against a quick player, and Brighton fans are better judges of player ability than Potter, Howe and Tuchel.

I'm waving my white flag, take it.

 

[maltaseagull]

Henderson? Really?
I thought he was past his best before he went to Saudi Arabia!

 

[Forster's Armband]

I think it is more what picking Burn, Walker and Henderson represents. Tuchel will have absolutely no interest in developing young players he's purely been brought in to win the World Cup (ironically picking those three is not gonna do that). We all like to think we'd do a better job of picking an England squad but picking these three seems to be a backward step. Perhaps it's just while he sorts out the squad culture he wants (after all he doesn't really know how all these players will be in camp) but not picking Gibbs-White or Manioo or Delap seems short-sighted to me.

 

[Randy McNob]

I think it is more what picking Burn, Walker and Henderson represents. Tuchel will have absolutely no interest in developing young players he's purely been brought in to win the World Cup (ironically picking those three is not gonna do that). We all like to think we'd do a better job of picking an England squad but picking these three seems to be a backward step. Perhaps it's just while he sorts out the squad culture he wants (after all he doesn't really know how all these players will be in camp) but not picking Gibbs-White or Manioo or Delap seems short-sighted to me.

Even I didn't think the folly of getting a foreign coach would be so apparant even before we've played a game, but there it is.

Echoes of Erikson 2006 and Theo Walcott all over again

 

[B-right-on]

How do you spell Southgate in German? - Tuchel

 

[Stato]

I don't get the criticism of Dan Burn. Had Tuchel done what his predecessor always did and fallen back on Maguire as the head it, boot it option, nobody in the media would have blinked. Burn is pretty much as good a footballer as Maguire. He is in better form, playing for a more successful team, has more recent experience of Champions League Football and can cover in a position that England are notoriously short in. He comes across as a better influence on his teammates than Maguire is and is more positionally sound. Maguire has 64 caps for England, but people reckon that giving BDB one sullies the honour. Absolute guff.

I was annoyed when he gave it loads after scoring against us, but I say good luck to him. It's lovely to see a player go from rejection from his home town club, National League, Divs 2 & 1, Championship, nasty leg break, being bought by Brighton, home town redemption, ECL qualification and England selection. He might have rick in him, but who hasn't? Stones, Maguire, Walker, Guehi, Colwill, Dunky, you name them, they've all been done by a striker at some point. That doesn't make them bad defenders. The big worry about Guehi and Colwill being England's future CB pairing is that they are both fairly poor in the air, so if you're going to play a three, why not get in an utterly committed giant to do that job, then give it to the more fashionable players?

 

[Giraffe]

My take on this is that Tuchel needs the experienced to help him bed in and win the squad over. Too many youngsters would be risky and the world cup is not that far away. He's picking a squad to win the world cup not develop it beyond that. I don't see any harm in that. Also fair to say he has shown he knows how to win things and for that reason he can't be judged on anything until after the world cup.

 

[jackalbion]

Given our problems at left back it’s astonishing that Gareth Bale hasn’t been given a go….

Wikipedia has never been wrong before.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

This is an absolute shambles of a squad. Watkins out? Wtf. Henderson in? Wtf. Anderson, Gomes, Wharton, Gibbs-White and even Hinshelwood should be very pissed off.

It really is.

Burn- really average PL defender, nearly 33 years old, nice bloke but nowhere near England class.

Henderson- has had stick from the Dutch press recently, not exactly lighting up the Eredivisie, has done absolutely nothing to merit a call up.

Quansah- has been really poor for much of this season. Only plays when Van Dijk or Konate are injured and Liverpool fans are all terrified when he does.

Walker- past it.

Additionally, if we're talking about form, then Rashford, Eze, Colwill and Foden have all had below average seasons, though I'm not saying they're bad players. All are part of the form v class argument, aren't they? But it must be disheartening for the likes of Gibbs-White and Anderson (assuming he wants to play for England rather than Scotland) to see Henderson, Burn and Quansah etc being picked ahead of them despite their obvious lack of top class attributes.

On the plus side, there was talk he'd pick Tyrick Mitchell again so at least we're spared that, and Noni Madueke.

 

[pigmanovich]

Burn is pretty much as good a footballer as Maguire. He is in better form, playing for a more successful team, has more recent experience of Champions League Football

Pedantic but Utd and Newcastle exited the Champions League at the same time last season.

 

[trueblue]

Some weird choices but probably better to judge him on his second and third squads. Not unreasonable to want to see and work with players himself and run the rule over fringe candidates. Henderson surprises me massively. Burn too - but as a left-sided squad player I suppose Tuchel thinks he's worth a look, bearing in mind England's lack of left-backs during the last Euros.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

It’s obviously utterly uninspiring, but when you give a short term manager a short term contract with one goal in mind, you get short term reactions from said manager. It’s all utterly predictable, with the exception of Burn, of course, who’s probably lucky to be in now, and conversely has had other periods when he’s been unlucky not to be in.

 

[Stato]

Pedantic but Utd and Newcastle exited the Champions League at the same time last season.

You want pedantic? United played on the Tuesday and Newcastle on the Wednesday.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I don't mind Tommy Tootler not acting like Southgate and picking schoolboys to give them experience for their long journey to become internationals.
He can act like Mourinho and select only the best available elite players. Why not?
He is first team coach not head of development, after all.

However he has picked some right old clunkers, as noted by @Lady Whistledown above.

f***ing Henderson. f***ing Burn. f***ing Quansah. f***ing Walker. What the actual f***.

I recon this is a secret German plan to make us look like a bunch of hopeless wankers.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

I've been suggesting it for years.
Yes, Dan Burn had one bad game against Adama Traore. If we look at Englands other options, they've also had one bad game against one player or another.

The biggest issue people have had with Dan Burn is always that a 2m defender playing as left back doesn't fit their idea of what a left back is, so any poor game or any mistake he does is counted ten-folded because of confirmation bias.

I’d have taken him last summer when the alternative was the failed Trippier at LB experiment on repeat.

Then again, there were younger alternatives who actually play LB who weren’t picked either, and as it’s Southgate it was never going to happen.