I reckon Bernie really could have been the man actually. His assault on the NRA and ideas for free health care would have struck the right chord if Trump had proven to be incompetent over the corrie virus. He could have made a difference and with a big rump of the US population quite desperate after CV, I think he was a vote winner. Joe Biden is a bland centrist with nothing genuinely different to offer, except of course an absence of moronic tweets and pressers.
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Tom Bombadil
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Even a Republican President like Eisenhower presided over a huge Keynsian expansion of the road netwrok in the US.
As said a few days ago I heard a very plausible theory (from a serious Republican) that the best thing for America would be 4 more years of Trump.
Assuming they and the rest of us make it through, only then will the majority will be right behind Berniesque social change.
4 years of "Bland" Biden and assuming the Republicans don't double down on stupid, they're right back where they started from.
I'm amazed just how many Yanks now find themselves unemployed.
With that their health care has gone too.
It seems if an American isn't generating money they are in serious trouble.
Is that rather basic observation correct, our American friends?
Spearheaded by George Bush Snr's father, no less - those Bushes get everywhere
father_and_son
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Proposing universal healthcare during or immediately after a pandemic won't resonate. Everyone paying for healthcare will just assume their bills are going up to pay for everyone else who wasn't paying and that'll be expensive. They will have had months of medical shortages, deaths in hospitals and potentially their own health issues.
It just isn't a vote winner (however real any of the perceived issues actually are). Bernie was a bad call as soon as news of a pandemic hit.
Caveat:. Yes, economies of scale and collective bargaining and being more powerful than big pharma etc will all mean healthcare costs will go down but Average Joe won't see that. Average Joe will just see that he's going to be paying for himself, his family and now some more people who didn't have insurance before.
I totally agree with this - the US is in a sorry state which, if only because of it's size and its reach, means the rest of the world has a big problem too. Trump's core vote is, like the Tories in the UK, all up country, away from the metropolitan areas where time passes much more slowly and people believe in holding on to what they've got even if it means shafting everyone else and, again like the Tories, with the right wing blue collar workers who still don't fancy the idea of having non-caucasians or homosexuals living next door to them. We are unfortunately drifting in the direction of the US which, given the personalities and propensities of the two leaders towards bullshit, denial, lying, factual reconstruction and egomania is extraordinarily worrying.
vegster
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To live and work in the " Land of The Free " can turn out quite costly if you are unlucky with a job or your health.
bWize
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Similar situation to this country. (IMO)
Grombleton
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Let's see what The Unhinged Blimp™ has to say in today's briefing - starting soon.
crodonilson
He/Him
Popcorn at the ready, it's like Partridge, watch through your fingers and cringe but you.csnt help but watch the car crash unfold.
Weststander
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CNN have pre-warned viewers tonight that the WH Rose Garden microphone-on-a-pole will likely be pulled away from journalists who’d asked awkward first questions, so that their second question isn’t audible to us. Classic Trump, he can’t handle to flack.
Weststander
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It’s on.
First up, “he’s saved our great airlines”.
Second, “they’re beginning to see light, the light at the end of the tunnel”.
First up, “he’s saved our great airlines”.
Second, “they’re beginning to see light, the light at the end of the tunnel”.
Jim Van Winkle
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William Henry Harrison died after 31 days in office. I am not sure how much influence he had on the American war machine as he was sick for most of those days.
Instead of copying and pasting the American presidents and doing a mass sweeping generalization. You might want to do more research.
3rd up I'm blaming WHO and halting their funding to deflect blame from himself.
Weststander
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Now the attack on WHO. A very long list of charges.
In January and February, Trump and his administration were desperate to find out the facts in Chain-a, but the WHO were in cahoots with Chain-a.
Can’t stand Trump, but the WHO have come out of this poorly this entire episode, it appears.
In January and February, Trump and his administration were desperate to find out the facts in Chain-a, but the WHO were in cahoots with Chain-a.
Can’t stand Trump, but the WHO have come out of this poorly this entire episode, it appears.
Weststander
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Now slagging off state governors, Operation Deflection Part 2.
crodonilson
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I do find it staggering, if true, that it he States funds the WHO with 10 times more money than China, especially given that a number of these respiratory outbreaks seem to stem from there.
"Inherited the situation" when talking about ventilators. Dig at the previous administration.
He's completely contradicted himself as he said to start with that he was getting "calls, many calls from the UK and Europe" about sending us ventilators.
It's complete insanity.
In fairness, the WHO are a corrupt load of shit.
But that's got nothing to do with how Trump has ****ed things up.