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[pork pie]

The bottom line is that these scum are not really representative of the majority of muslims in this country. Just like the scum miners from the 80s were not representatives of the British people - in fact, Scargills scum were not even representative of all miners.

These protesters are blatantly out of order. They behave like, look and dress like they have no wish to be part of our society - so why the f*** are they here?

 

[coventrygull]

Enemy? this is the crux of this..Every single placard being waved here has at the top of it "War on Islam and Muslims" Well it wasn't a war on that religion was it? it was a war aimed at toppling Saddam because George Bush Senior failed to finish him off the first time round because, despite all the intel, there was no popular uprising of Iraqis to depose him and that bugged old Dubya so much that after 9/11 he had his chance, completely out of context, to put that "right" at last.

The only problem with this war was it was started by religious fundamentalists blowing up the twin towers and was then prosecuted by an angry and poorly led US goverment-and its cronies-intent on revenge rather than legitimate war aims.
Saddams Iraq was pretty secular and included Christians at the top of the Goverment, he was irreligous and was a drinker etc. so was hardly a Muslim extremist. If anything Islam was kept relatively in check there because he feared an Iran style revolution.
America painted Iraq as some sort of extremist factory exporting Islamic terror around the world and that was clearly a lie. A lie that could well ignite the third world war...especially if and when Pakistan collapses.

The brilliance of Bin Laden is amazing, he managed to goad a naive superpower into attacking a muslim country based on lies and incompetence and the fallout from this is that international Islam now has a focus to unite them. Their suspicion of the West as an aggressive bunch of Neo-Imperialists intent on stealing their wealth and subjugating them appears confirmed everytime they switch on the TV or read a newspaper.

In this country young Muslim men, encouraged to see the West as its blood enemy, walk out of their houses in Burnley drive to london and calmly execute bus and train passengers on their way to work one July morning in Madrid the same, in Bali Aussie tourists executed for their countries support for Dubyas war..Mumbai, Istanbul Glasgow.....the touchpaper is lit around the world.

An excellent post.

 

[User removed 4]

The bottom line is that these scum are not really representative of the majority of muslims in this country. Just like the scum miners from the 80s were not representatives of the British people - in fact, Scargills scum were not even representative of all miners.

These protesters are blatantly out of order. They behave like, look and dress like they have no wish to be part of our society - so why the f*** are they here?

scum miners? i dont think so mate.

 

[pork pie]

scum miners? i dont think so mate.

Yes, total scum! They behaved like animals. There was a good program on the other night when Kinnock said that he had agreed a deal with the tories/NCB and Scargill would not even talk about it, and that was an "Old Labour" (commie bastard) Leader! He them went on to express his and the Labour leadership's loathing of Scargill.

 

[London Pompous]

scum miners? i dont think so mate.

Agree 100%. These were good English lads who were led to the slaughter by Scargill, who picked a fight without realising he had been outflanked by Thatcher building up the coal stocks for 3 years. He's living in his posh house and the communities from where he came have been destroyed, and the social costs in terms of family breakdowns, alcoholism, domestic violence and narcotic abuse are still being felt today.

 

[The Spanish]

Yes, total scum! They behaved like animals. There was a good program on the other night when Kinnock said that he had agreed a deal with the tories/NCB and Scargill would not even talk about it, and that was an "Old Labour" (commie bastard) Leader! He them went on to express his and the Labour leadership's loathing of Scargill.

if you ever went to a football match in the 80s mate you would know how the old bill used to act. You think a section 60 is them throwing their weight around? The fact that people moan about that and spastic hi vis stewards nowadays cracks me up.

The miners just had a firm that would have a go back, like football supporters or black lads in Brixton in those days, when the old bill got a kicking for throwing their weight around they did not like it.

Now they shit themselves if they get caught taking the piss out of one of their colleagues beards.

 

[pork pie]

Agree 100%. These were good English lads who were led to the slaughter by Scargill, who picked a fight without realising he had been outflanked by Thatcher building up the coal stocks for 3 years. He's living in his posh house and the communities from where he came have been destroyed, and the social costs in terms of family breakdowns, alcoholism, domestic violence and narcotic abuse are still being felt today.

It is their fault for following such a troublemaker. Don't they have a brain to think for themselves?

 

[London Pompous]

Yes, total scum! They behaved like animals.

That's utter bollocks. A small minority of them were arseholes, just as the same can be said for Muslims, Albion fans, lawyers, doctors etc. There were professional shit stirrers added to them from the usual suspects on the far left, who are always up for a rumble, and MI5 and the army also infiltrated the strikers to cause devastation that was then blamed on the whole mining community.

You're sweeping generalisations are the same as those of The Sun who labelled every Scouser an animal after Hillsborough.

 

[London Pompous]

It is their fault for following such a troublemaker. Don't they have a brain to think for themselves?

That's like saying that it's the 'own fault' of any British soldier who gets killed in Iraq/Afghanistan, because we have voted in leaders who wanted wars there.

Utter utter bollocks.

 

[Nibble]

It is wrong to think the miners were scum. Their entire way of life including their families welfare was being threatened and they got Police Brutality and betrayel thrown at them for sticking up for their rights.

 

[Storer68]

a strike ballott would have helped though.

 

[User removed 4]

a strike ballott would have helped though.

no one is denying that scargill is a mug, just not the boys he led to the slaughter.

 

[pork pie]

That's like saying that it's the 'own fault' of any British soldier who gets killed in Iraq/Afghanistan, because we have voted in leaders who wanted wars there.

Utter utter bollocks.

No it is not! We are all part of society and have no choice but to follow its rules. Those rules include having a Government that takes such decissions. Soldiers have no say in their generals and notional say in their Governmant. The miners should never have elected a left-winger to run THEIR union - what did they expect? Bloody common sense?

 

[pork pie]

It is wrong to think the miners were scum. Their entire way of life including their families welfare was being threatened and they got Police Brutality and betrayel thrown at them for sticking up for their rights.

The threat to their families was starvation because they refused to get on with their jobs to get paid! What rights? Nobody has a right to a job - it has to be earned. Jobs come, jobs go, that is life apart fom those inbreds who think they have a right to a job because their dads worked there. The mines were not viable, and their actions made things worse. The rest is history.

 

[The Spanish]

The threat to their families was starvation because they refused to get on with their jobs to get paid! What rights? Nobody has a right to a job - it has to be earned. Jobs come, jobs go, that is life apart fom those inbreds who think they have a right to a job because their dads worked there. The mines were not viable, and their actions made things worse. The rest is history.

your job in pork pie land might be under threat if the muslims take over mate.


you are just a troll idiot go away.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

It's called FREEDOM.

Be very careful with it, it's very easy to lose!

Absolutely. There were 15 of them, yep, that's FIFTEEN. Hardly a crowd. And they're entitled to demonstrate, just as much as any other. Blimey, talk about storm in a tea cup. Stupid Sun newspaper.

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[London Calling]

No it is not! We are all part of society and have no choice but to follow its rules. Those rules include having a Government that takes such decissions. Soldiers have no say in their generals and notional say in their Governmant. The miners should never have elected a left-winger to run THEIR union - what did they expect? Bloody common sense?

and when you are driving from Canterbury and are stopped by the Police and told to turn back or be arrested, do you support that?

You are walking back from the Pub, with your mates, in the beginning of the strike, you are having a laugh, a unmarked van pulls up, out comes some heavy guys and beat you to the floor. For a laugh. Call you names like Commie this, sh*t that etc,

You are not going to be recentful.

You are on the picket line, six months with London Coppers flashing notes, talking about over time and then start burning fivers? You are not going to be p*ssed off.


You build a snow man around a concrete bollard, in the winter of the strike the Police see it, rev up the van and bulldoze the bollard.

You have a laugh!

All of these are true stories.

 

[The Spanish]

It is wrong to think the miners were scum. Their entire way of life including their families welfare was being threatened and they got Police Brutality and betrayel thrown at them for sticking up for their rights.

top post nibble spot on.

you can have lived through those days be a free marketeer (now discredited, predictabaly) and still remember how communities were shattered ,not only in that industry but many others. The problem is on this site, the candy floss, american express card, legal and general insurance and gay sauna industries were not hit as hard as mining and ship building, so expect a lack of sympathy by some so called patriots.

how is the film coming on mate?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Welcome 'home' British troops.

Nice to know what you are fighting for.

 

[Nibble]

top post nibble spot on.

you can have lived through those days be a free marketeer (now discredited, predictabaly) and still remember how communities were shattered ,not only in that industry but many others. The problem is on this site, the candy floss, american express card, legal and general insurance and gay sauna industries were not hit as hard as mining and ship building, so expect a lack of sympathy by some so called patriots.

how is the film coming on mate?

Thanks. Yeah good ta, couple of weeks til release and I'm sure the women and international acclaim will follow shortly!