[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[lawros left foot]

Just in case he has resigned,

Schedule 2,of the Constitution of the Conservative party. Rules for the election of the Party Leader. Point 2,

A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.

 

[vegster]

Just in case he has resigned,

Schedule 2,of the Constitution of the Conservative party. Rules for the election of the Party Leader. Point 2,

A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.

He hasn't resigned, ergo he can still stand ... I would love if if he did and no one voted for him apart from himself.

 

[Machiavelli]

As a student of Politics, why do you think populism takes off and becomes more prominent? What is it that the electorate want, that they see in certain people?

That's disputed within the literature, but the view I find most persuasive is that the hegemonic framework breaks down because its core ideas no longer persuade the public, who start seeking for alternatives. In other words, the 'common sense' goes into crisis, which opens up the field of the possible for counter-hegemonies. In Europe, populism was absent or marginal up until the financial crisis (when the neoliberal common sense broke down), and this facilitated the emergence of other political (often populist) projects, eg ethnonationalist populism (Trump), nostalgic nationalism (Brexit), left populism (Podemos, Syriza, Occupy).

The electorate/public want all sorts of things, many of which shift: they wanted Johnson as PM 2.5 years ago, and now no longer do.

 

[crookie]

I believe that Grant Shapps has thrown his hat into the ring,is it April 1st ?

The guy who couldn't be arsed to try and sort out a rail strike thinks he's the answer to this country's problems? Jesus wept !!

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[Blue Valkyrie]

He hasn't resigned, ergo he can still stand ... I would love if if he did and no one voted for him apart from himself.

There wouldn't be a leadership contest unless he has resigned

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I believe that Grant Shapps has thrown his hat into the ring,is it April 1st ?

"Michael Green" might do a better job

 

[KZNSeagull]

If Johnson hasn't resigned, I think we would have heard about it by now from Graham Brady.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yes, if that happens then it is abuse of power. I think it better to call it what it is though ie racism and homophobia. Populism has become a term of insult to aim at any views not in line with one’s own. Trump isn’t objectionable because of some woolly idea of ‘populism.’ He is objectionable because he is a fascist.

I agree on a few things here and your other posts:
-- the term populism is deployed as an insult; anti-populism is rife; this involves the denigration of the masses, which is a trope as old as Plato; just look through the most recent pages on this thread
-- Trump is an ethnonationalist populist, perhaps veering into a fascist
-- I don't think Johnson is a populist, but what he is is somewhat more difficult to pin down

 

[Uh_huh_him]

There wouldn't be a leadership contest unless he has resigned

That is a logical conclusion, however there is no evidence of a resignation letter.
These things are often published, but I haven't seen any yet.

In his speech he says he has agreed for the party to start the process of appointing a new leader and he will serve auntil that person is appointed.

You know, I realy don't think he has resigned.
I think a deal was struck, that is half way between a resignation and him staying on.

I could be wrong.
But it doesn't look or feel like a resignatiion to me.

 

[vegster]

That is a logical conclusion, however there is no evidence of a resignation letter.
These things are often published, but I haven't seen any yet.

In his speech he says he has agreed for the party to start the process of appointing a new leader and he will serve auntil that person is appointed.

You know, I realy don't think he has resigned.
I think a deal was struck, that is half way between a resignation and him staying on.

I could be wrong.
But it doesn't look or feel like a resignatiion to me.

This is my thought too.

I think he's hoping something happens to delay the election or China invades Taiwan....anything so he can hang on to win his bet.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I believe that Grant Shapps has thrown his hat into the ring,is it April 1st ?

The guy who couldn't be arsed to try and sort out a rail strike thinks he's the answer to this country's problems? Jesus wept !!

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Don't worry, he missed

 

[jcdenton08]

I don’t think there’s any evidence whatsoever of this. He’s way too far gone, nobody in British political history has ever recovered from a situation as dire as his. I remember when Brown resigned, he wanted to stay as “caretaker” for several months too while they elected a new leader. He was ousted too when this was untenable. The only reason he was forced out was because of the election result.

Boris is going, everyone knows it. They just need to do their political machinations and choose their new leader (carefully, hopefully) to transition to.

 

[The Clamp]

That's disputed within the literature, but the view I find most persuasive is that the hegemonic framework breaks down because its core ideas no longer persuade the public, who start seeking for alternatives. In other words, the 'common sense' goes into crisis, which opens up the field of the possible for counter-hegemonies. In Europe, populism was absent or marginal up until the financial crisis (when the neoliberal common sense broke down), and this facilitated the emergence of other political (often populist) projects, eg ethnonationalist populism (Trump), nostalgic nationalism (Brexit), left populism (Podemos, Syriza, Occupy).

The electorate/public want all sorts of things, many of which shift: they wanted Johnson as PM 2.5 years ago, and now no longer do.

Yep. You write like someone who has been studying politics

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I believe that Grant Shapps has thrown his hat into the ring,is it April 1st ?

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen today.

The bloke has overseen the decimation of the air industry in the Uk, Train folk are not too keen either.

 

[clapham_gull]

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen today.

The bloke has overseen the decimation of the air industry in the Uk, Train folk are not too keen either.

Zahawi as well now.

In the next few weeks the press are going to be all over them regarding their business history and their competitors in the leadership race aren't going to go out of their way to defend them.

I'm not sure what happens after a meltdown.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

This is my thought too.

I think he's hoping something happens to delay the election or China invades Taiwan....anything so he can hang on to win his bet.

Unfortunately there are a couple of Brits up for execution in Donetsk as well.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I don’t think there’s any evidence whatsoever of this. He’s way too far gone, nobody in British political history has ever recovered from a situation as dire as his. I remember when Brown resigned, he wanted to stay as “caretaker” for several months too while they elected a new leader. He was ousted too when this was untenable. The only reason he was forced out was because of the election result.

Boris is going, everyone knows it. They just need to do their political machinations and choose their new leader (carefully, hopefully) to transition to.

There is no way there is going to be a sudden "fooled you - my fingers were crossed" moment. I simply cannot see that he hasn't resigned.

It would make the Tory party look like absolute mugs.

 

[pb21]

That's disputed within the literature, but the view I find most persuasive is that the hegemonic framework breaks down because its core ideas no longer persuade the public, who start seeking for alternatives. In other words, the 'common sense' goes into crisis, which opens up the field of the possible for counter-hegemonies. In Europe, populism was absent or marginal up until the financial crisis (when the neoliberal common sense broke down), and this facilitated the emergence of other political (often populist) projects, eg ethnonationalist populism (Trump), nostalgic nationalism (Brexit), left populism (Podemos, Syriza, Occupy).

The electorate/public want all sorts of things, many of which shift: they wanted Johnson as PM 2.5 years ago, and now no longer do.

Interesting points. I think I agree. Have you ever read Fromm? I find some of his thoughts valid, i.e. a psychosocial element, kind of a reaction against changing hegemonies?

 

[jcdenton08]

There is no way there is going to be a sudden "fooled you - my fingers were crossed" moment. I simply cannot see that he hasn't resigned.

It would make the Tory party look like absolute mugs.

Arguably too late on the latter point! But yeah, he’s definitely going, thank ****.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

There is no way there is going to be a sudden "fooled you - my fingers were crossed" moment. I simply cannot see that he hasn't resigned.

It would make the Tory party look like absolute mugs.

You think he cares about the party?