[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[clapham_gull]

I was more thinking of populism as an 'idealogy', rather than simply popular policies. IMO, and I'm not a student paid to learn, there is a connection with demagoguary, but I'm not an expert.

I always looked at both parties (Labour under Corbyn) acting by simply playing the numbers, getting just enough over the line to win power.

Johnson's Tories a bit different with their huge majority that broke the impasse over Brexit, but I've never understood why they never moved on from that and continued acting that they only needed to appeal to the core vote

He turned out to be a weak Prime Minister, allowing any whim of a neo-liberal frothing fruit loop to get serious consideration.

The weirdest one by far is the privatisation of Channel Four, ironically an invention of Thatcher.

Why - because you don't like their news ?

 

[clapham_gull]

Wow guys thanks for your concern about me.....or perhaps just general trolling.

Believe it or not, I have not had a chance to get on and post much as I have been a busy boy.

So I have a spare half an hour now, if you want to chat, never ever has the boots run from anyone, so won't be starting any day soon.


The more observant of you may have seen months ago my admission of being wrong, when I put it in my profile location that I was eating pie.........humble.

Why was that, I hear you ask

Because it was clear that Boris had overcooked it IMO and was ready for de throning.

That said I don't like the way a few went about it, Rishi has cooked his goose as far as I am concerned, one of the main stabbers if you ask me, he didn't take long to have a promo video out.
Lack of respect from me for that, so if he gets the job, I might have to spoil on the next GE.

If Hunt gets in, I will be spoiling too.

This needs a true brexiteer to run the country so you guys can forget 48 voters of against Brexit Starmer getting anywhere near the job, lying through his teeth saying he now will back it.

I don't care what you say but Big Boris with his Big decision making got stuff done.
The Russians found him a handful.....what better trait for leading against the bully boys of Russia.
Getting us out of that tinpot EU was a masterstroke and making the quick decision to get AZ vaccines without all the EU red tape again shows, that he was on it.


Did Boris start any wars? he just led the way and tried to stop them fast.

Starmer would still be thinking and sitting on the fence in all the big decision moments that need decisive action IMO.

How the hell he got away with chucking beers down his neck, shows how corrupt the system is at times.

He will feel used and abused when randy Nandy passes him to lead labour...........just a matter of time as I have said in the past.

I am actually quite surprised that most of you didn't like him he was too liberal for me at times.

For the record, I never had a problem with Boris about his lying as all politicians do it, he had just exceeded his limit.

But thank you big hitter Boris for Brexit and getting those weapons at breakneck speed to Ukraine, it what has been the hardest political time for any PM to have led.

Thank you the the above sums up what Johnson has done to the Conservative party.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

That's not what populism is, by any stretch. Look it up.

Ok, I have;

‘ political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
"the question is whether he will tone down his fiery populism now that he has joined the political establishment"’

So backing pay rise demands by public sector unions would fall within the definition of populism. That would include senior Labour MPs. Don’t get me wrong, I would also support such pay rises to reduce the gap with the private sector but I am happy to support this ‘popular’ and ‘populist’ policy.

 

[clapham_gull]

So backing pay rise demands by public sector unions would fall within the definition of populism.

Not necessarily because their version of "populism" doesn't need to extend beyond whatever it takes to keep them in power.

The unions (and union members), public sector workers (except the NHS when it suits them) the EU , the courts and the media are the elite group who disregard your concerns.

The Government would love to help you, but the "other" are holding us back. Social media is full of their core vote who genuinely believe Johnson had to resign because of the media and a few compliant MPs have agreed.

Fear of the "other" is what got them in power, they've just never moved on.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not necessarily because their version of "populism" doesn't need to extend beyond whatever it takes to keep them in power.

The unions (and union members), the EU , the courts and the media are the enemy. The Government would love to help you, but the "other" are holding us back.

Don’t forget the ‘lefty lawyers’

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

When racism and homophobia are used to gain popular support that is abuse of power.

Yes, if that happens then it is abuse of power. I think it better to call it what it is though ie racism and homophobia. Populism has become a term of insult to aim at any views not in line with one’s own. Trump isn’t objectionable because of some woolly idea of ‘populism.’ He is objectionable because he is a fascist.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, if that happens then it is abuse of power. I think it better to call it what it is though ie racism and homophobia. Populism has become a term of insult to aim at any views not in line with one’s own. Trump isn’t objectionable because of some woolly idea of ‘populism.’ He is objectionable because he is a fascist.

Now look up the signs of fascism, and compare with the actions of our government since 2019.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Wow guys thanks for your concern about me.....or perhaps just general trolling.

Believe it or not, I have not had a chance to get on and post much as I have been a busy boy.

So I have a spare half an hour now, if you want to chat, never ever has the boots run from anyone, so won't be starting any day soon.


The more observant of you may have seen months ago my admission of being wrong, when I put it in my profile location that I was eating pie.........humble.

Why was that, I hear you ask

Because it was clear that Boris had overcooked it IMO and was ready for de throning.

That said I don't like the way a few went about it, Rishi has cooked his goose as far as I am concerned, one of the main stabbers if you ask me, he didn't take long to have a promo video out.
Lack of respect from me for that, so if he gets the job, I might have to spoil on the next GE.

If Hunt gets in, I will be spoiling too.

This needs a true brexiteer to run the country so you guys can forget 48 voters of against Brexit Starmer getting anywhere near the job, lying through his teeth saying he now will back it.

I don't care what you say but Big Boris with his Big decision making got stuff done.
The Russians found him a handful.....what better trait for leading against the bully boys of Russia.
Getting us out of that tinpot EU was a masterstroke and making the quick decision to get AZ vaccines without all the EU red tape again shows, that he was on it.


Did Boris start any wars? he just led the way and tried to stop them fast.

Starmer would still be thinking and sitting on the fence in all the big decision moments that need decisive action IMO.

How the hell he got away with chucking beers down his neck, shows how corrupt the system is at times.

He will feel used and abused when randy Nandy passes him to lead labour...........just a matter of time as I have said in the past.




I am actually quite surprised that most of you didn't like him he was too liberal for me at times.

For the record, I never had a problem with Boris about his lying as all politicians do it, he had just exceeded his limit.

But thank you big hitter Boris for Brexit and getting those weapons at breakneck speed to Ukraine, it what has been the hardest political time for any PM to have led.

Oh Mouldy, what a great parody account you are.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Now look up the signs of fascism, and compare with the actions of our government since 2019.

We are digressing but;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

That tallies with Trump but not with our Government who are Libertarian rather than Fascist. Johnson has resigned and there has been no armed uprising like on Capitol Hill. I was really hoping hyperbolic political debate would calm down once Johnson had gone but clearly it’s just going to keep on coming.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Wow guys thanks for your concern about me.....or perhaps just general trolling.

Believe it or not, I have not had a chance to get on and post much as I have been a busy boy.

So I have a spare half an hour now, if you want to chat, never ever has the boots run from anyone, so won't be starting any day soon.


The more observant of you may have seen months ago my admission of being wrong, when I put it in my profile location that I was eating pie.........humble.

Why was that, I hear you ask

Because it was clear that Boris had overcooked it IMO and was ready for de throning.

That said I don't like the way a few went about it, Rishi has cooked his goose as far as I am concerned, one of the main stabbers if you ask me, he didn't take long to have a promo video out.
Lack of respect from me for that, so if he gets the job, I might have to spoil on the next GE.

If Hunt gets in, I will be spoiling too.

This needs a true brexiteer to run the country so you guys can forget 48 voters of against Brexit Starmer getting anywhere near the job, lying through his teeth saying he now will back it.

I don't care what you say but Big Boris with his Big decision making got stuff done.
The Russians found him a handful.....what better trait for leading against the bully boys of Russia.
Getting us out of that tinpot EU was a masterstroke and making the quick decision to get AZ vaccines without all the EU red tape again shows, that he was on it.


Did Boris start any wars? he just led the way and tried to stop them fast.

Starmer would still be thinking and sitting on the fence in all the big decision moments that need decisive action IMO.

How the hell he got away with chucking beers down his neck, shows how corrupt the system is at times.

He will feel used and abused when randy Nandy passes him to lead labour...........just a matter of time as I have said in the past.




I am actually quite surprised that most of you didn't like him he was too liberal for me at times.

For the record, I never had a problem with Boris about his lying as all politicians do it, he had just exceeded his limit.

But thank you big hitter Boris for Brexit and getting those weapons at breakneck speed to Ukraine, it what has been the hardest political time for any PM to have led.

Eat your heart out Armando Iannucci

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Now look up the signs of fascism, and compare with the actions of our government since 2019.

To help out - the signs from the Holocaust Museum. The second one is from the National Front in the 70s.

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[Thunder Bolt]

We are digressing but;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

That tallies with Trump but not with our Government who are Libertarian rather than Fascist. Johnson has resigned and there has been no armed uprising like on Capitol Hill. I was really hoping hyperbolic political debate would calm down once Johnson had gone but clearly it’s just going to keep on coming.

Look at Johnson’s speech, and tell me where he said he’s resigned. He hasn’t gone anywhere.
He also said it would take a tank regiment to get him out.

 

[rogersix]

Wow guys thanks for your concern about me.....or perhaps just general trolling.

Believe it or not, I have not had a chance to get on and post much as I have been a busy boy.

So I have a spare half an hour now, if you want to chat, never ever has the boots run from anyone, so won't be starting any day soon.


The more observant of you may have seen months ago my admission of being wrong, when I put it in my profile location that I was eating pie.........humble.

Why was that, I hear you ask

Because it was clear that Boris had overcooked it IMO and was ready for de throning.

That said I don't like the way a few went about it, Rishi has cooked his goose as far as I am concerned, one of the main stabbers if you ask me, he didn't take long to have a promo video out.
Lack of respect from me for that, so if he gets the job, I might have to spoil on the next GE.

If Hunt gets in, I will be spoiling too.

This needs a true brexiteer to run the country so you guys can forget 48 voters of against Brexit Starmer getting anywhere near the job, lying through his teeth saying he now will back it.

I don't care what you say but Big Boris with his Big decision making got stuff done.
The Russians found him a handful.....what better trait for leading against the bully boys of Russia.
Getting us out of that tinpot EU was a masterstroke and making the quick decision to get AZ vaccines without all the EU red tape again shows, that he was on it.


Did Boris start any wars? he just led the way and tried to stop them fast.

Starmer would still be thinking and sitting on the fence in all the big decision moments that need decisive action IMO.

How the hell he got away with chucking beers down his neck, shows how corrupt the system is at times.

He will feel used and abused when randy Nandy passes him to lead labour...........just a matter of time as I have said in the past.




I am actually quite surprised that most of you didn't like him he was too liberal for me at times.

For the record, I never had a problem with Boris about his lying as all politicians do it, he had just exceeded his limit.

But thank you big hitter Boris for Brexit and getting those weapons at breakneck speed to Ukraine, it what has been the hardest political time for any PM to have led.

so what exactly was it that finally persuaded you to come out from right behind boris?

 

[The Clamp]

There needs to be fewer resignations and more sackings.

 

[The Clamp]

Wow guys thanks for your concern about me.....or perhaps just general trolling.

Believe it or not, I have not had a chance to get on and post much as I have been a busy boy.

So I have a spare half an hour now, if you want to chat, never ever has the boots run from anyone, so won't be starting any day soon.


The more observant of you may have seen months ago my admission of being wrong, when I put it in my profile location that I was eating pie.........humble.

Why was that, I hear you ask

Because it was clear that Boris had overcooked it IMO and was ready for de throning.

That said I don't like the way a few went about it, Rishi has cooked his goose as far as I am concerned, one of the main stabbers if you ask me, he didn't take long to have a promo video out.
Lack of respect from me for that, so if he gets the job, I might have to spoil on the next GE.

If Hunt gets in, I will be spoiling too.

This needs a true brexiteer to run the country so you guys can forget 48 voters of against Brexit Starmer getting anywhere near the job, lying through his teeth saying he now will back it.

I don't care what you say but Big Boris with his Big decision making got stuff done.
The Russians found him a handful.....what better trait for leading against the bully boys of Russia.
Getting us out of that tinpot EU was a masterstroke and making the quick decision to get AZ vaccines without all the EU red tape again shows, that he was on it.


Did Boris start any wars? he just led the way and tried to stop them fast.

Starmer would still be thinking and sitting on the fence in all the big decision moments that need decisive action IMO.

How the hell he got away with chucking beers down his neck, shows how corrupt the system is at times.

He will feel used and abused when randy Nandy passes him to lead labour...........just a matter of time as I have said in the past.




I am actually quite surprised that most of you didn't like him he was too liberal for me at times.

For the record, I never had a problem with Boris about his lying as all politicians do it, he had just exceeded his limit.

But thank you big hitter Boris for Brexit and getting those weapons at breakneck speed to Ukraine, it what has been the hardest political time for any PM to have led.

Ah, that’s where you’ve been, having a breakdown

 

[The Clamp]

Look at Johnson’s speech, and tell me where he said he’s resigned. He hasn’t gone anywhere.
He also said it would take a tank regiment to get him out.

Agreed. He hasn’t resigned. He also said he’d take a back seat but just yesterday he was publicly announcing HIS intention to carry on with the Rwanda transportations. Scum.

 

[lawros left foot]

If you weren’t making a wider point then what was the point of your anecdote ? One of my family members voted Remain because she thought David Cameron was a nice man. Should I be drawing broad conclusions?

Sorry.

In future I will be sure to check with you if my experiences while discussing current affairs with others, are suitable to be posted on a football website.

 

[nicko31]

To help out - the signs from the Holocaust Museum. The second one is from the National Front in the 70s.

View attachment 149537. View attachment 149538

Maybe all Tory members ought to visit the Holocaust museum in the coming weeks and give their heads a wobble.

Johnson’s direction of travel has been clear.

Even though I always saw him as a liar I’ll admit I didn’t see it coming even after the Brexit lies

 

[Leekbrookgull]

I believe that Grant Shapps has thrown his hat into the ring,is it April 1st ?

 

[jcdenton08]

Look at Johnson’s speech, and tell me where he said he’s resigned. He hasn’t gone anywhere.
He also said it would take a tank regiment to get him out.

https://youtu.be/IUVVbjdDjiQ

I just want to make you a cup of tea and tell you everything will be okay.