To all of brave soldiers who are being made redundant.

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And attatched to 1 PARA so if you're not in the know, Google them and see what they do.

There you go....i did bite

I do know mate SFSG, you must be a shit hot soldier , well done, and as I said in the previous post, look after yourself mate.

 

[spig100963]

My brother manages a retail security firm. I have served 10 years in the services. For me to work for him I have to go and sit an SIA License course. In the light of what happened in the Olympics. When we have just shipped in non SIA trained soldiers in to do the civilian job. If a Military person goes to a civilian security firm straight from the services, should he really need to be re-vetted/trained?

 

[goldstone]

Private contractors? ..When did we stop calling mercenaries, mercenaries?

Regular military personel do a great job, but calling them all heroes detracts from individuals that have engaged in acts of individual courage, and valour in the face of the enemy etc.

Exactly my point. The word hero is greatly overused.

 

[Hampden Park]

kin ell lads is this a pongo/civvyfest or what? can an ex matelot join in? i dont recall the British Army lads being trained to ransack houses, Yanks maybe.

respect to all 'stills'

Jolly Jack Tar x x x

 

[dingodan]

I think the idea of having a rapid response group to go into Unruly estates at 3 in the morning to drag known trouble makers, drug dealers/pushers and other undesirables out of their stinking pits, is exactly what this country needs. I am also in favor of having everyone micro chipped. This would free up our over stretched Police force. Those who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear. I did once suggest to the ex Chief of the Defense staff that he should organise a military coup, but he did not think it would be a good idea. I got the impression that he thought I was an idiot

While I disagree with you, I very much admire your honesty.

 

[ifuhatepalacestandup]

I think the idea of having a rapid response group to go into Unruly estates at 3 in the morning to drag known trouble makers, drug dealers/pushers and other undesirables out of their stinking pits, is exactly what this country needs. I am also in favor of having everyone micro chipped. This would free up our over stretched Police force. Those who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear. I did once suggest to the ex Chief of the Defense staff that he should organise a military coup, but he did not think it would be a good idea. I got the impression that he thought I was an idiot

being an ex NCO i don't usually agree with what the chief of defense staff says but this time however I think he may have a point

 

[Storer 68]

Being a pedant is would be the Chief of the Defence Staff.

Unless you are taking about out american cousins

 

[dingodan]

Dingo dan what planet are you on and what shit have you been reading ?
I'm ex Forces and my two sons are serving,
My youngest who is not yet 22 has done yours of Iraq and Afghan and they are fifth generation forces in my family.
No sign of your misguided judgement in him I'm afraid to say as he is also Para trained as well which I suppose in your eyes would make him a baby killer as well ??
All I offered you was a chance to have a civil discussion outside The Amex with them and me and then you would see what a cock you are making of yourself on here !!
PS Just glad your not my son !

Your offer of a civil discussion outside the Amex came across as a threat, if you were genuinely inviting me for a pint and a chat then sorry I took it as I did, I'm sure you can understand why tho because your preceding post called me a f***ing prick.

Why do u say that I would call your son a baby killer for being Para trained? My dad was Para trained. You want to make this about me slating British troops, because then it's easy to get all worked up and angry at me, instead of examining what I am saying. And if your son is the 5th generation to be in the forces from your family, you probably are going to be invested in a certain view of the armed forces, and probably won't like what you interpret as criticism.

I am talking about the negative effects these wars have on soldiers, its hardly to disrespect them, I am actually giving them a voice which apparently you are not hearing anywhere else. You can tell me that soldiers are not trained and asked to do things which will haunt them, but it is self evident and it is the nature of war. And this has little or nothing to do with good or bad soldiers (of which both exist) nor even is it to do with the reasons we went to war. This has merely been about asking, why do soldiers suffer when returning from conflict zones?

Can I ask you, do you understand that a British or American soldier will force people out of their homes? and split up families? I am not saying there are not valid security reasons for all of this once you start the war and accept that the war is on. But do you accept that these things are done? Because it is these things I am talking about, and they are not crimes, and they are not outside of the remit of a soldier. The trouble is, for a human being, these things are actually pretty hard to do. Just having women and children crying and screaming in your presence because they fear for their lives, these things affect the people holding the guns as much as they effect those having guns pointed at them.

On a side note, in another post you said "The American government is currently spending millions on providing ex servicemen with proper resettlement courses which last at least 6 months and also provide after care etc". You need to take a look at VA hospitals and the care and support veterans get in the US, because if you think it is bad over here the treatment of vets in the US is truly appalling.

Also, if I could go back and re-write my original post, it would just say "war fucks people up", because that is what I meant.

 

[ifuhatepalacestandup]

Being a pedant is would be the Chief of the Defence Staff.

Unless you are taking about out american cousins

hope you feel better
is this a ped ant

 

[FamilyGuy]

After what has happened recently with a certain company trusted with providing the security for London 2012, why don't our brave Lads start up a new security company? Fully fit and battle ready, who in their right mind is going to mix it with these boys?

Hmmm! A private army - that's just what any country needs (not!!)

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

Dingo Dan you need to edit your original post then and should have done that 4 pages ago !
As for me I'm now at an age where I can reflect on the things I say and I still think you were a prick with your first post and will standby that remark I'm afraid and my offer was a civil one as well but I can see you side of the argument
As for the Americans, at least they ate trying to do something about there Vets, over here Sod All !!

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

kin ell lads is this a pongo/civvyfest or what? can an ex matelot join in? i dont recall the British Army lads being trained to ransack houses, Yanks maybe.

respect to all 'stills'

Jolly Jack Tar x x x

Skimmer !!

 

[goldstone]

Also, if I could go back and re-write my original post, it would just say "war fucks people up", because that is what I meant.

And that is very much to the point.

Wars need to avoided at all cost. We do not need to escalate conflicts by sending troops to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. The issues there are other people's issues. We do not need to and should not interfere.

Keep our wars to situations where we are defending our country. Nothing else is acceptable or necessary.

 

[dingodan]

And that is very much to the point.

Wars need to avoided at all cost. We do not need to escalate conflicts by sending troops to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. The issues there are other people's issues. We do not need to and should not interfere.

Keep our wars to situations where we are defending our country. Nothing else is acceptable or necessary.

The way I look at it, for war to be justified (that is to say, for putting our young people in harms way to be justified), our shores need to be approached aggressively by the army, navy or air-force of another nation. Has not happened in a very long time, nor is it likely to happen.

We have no legitimate reason to be at war with any nation, nor have we had for a very long time.

 

[Hampden Park]

Skimmer !!

Bubble Head

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

Bubble Head

Your just jealous of my Submarine Pay !!
Mind you I was a skimmer first on HMS Antrim , Ulster and Rame Head

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

Wars need to avoided at all cost. We do not need to escalate conflicts by sending troops to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. The issues there are other people's issues. We do not need to and should not interfere.

Keep our wars to situations where we are defending our country. Nothing else is acceptable or necessary.

Well said that man, we were told that as we were on active patrol at 15 minutes notice to unleash a Nuclear Holocaust we were acting as a Deterrent not an Aggressor .

 

[John Bumlick]

Well son i do know what happens in war having had first hand experience of it so please don't presume to lecture me about what you THINK happens because unless you have walked a mile in my shoes you have no right to criticize

hold on a minute, don't you "brave" boys fight for our "freedom"? freedom which includes the right to express an opinion surely? you do realise you are fighting "for" many (not majority, but quite a few) whose pre-programmed response to military people isn't set to auto-respect?

 

[Hampden Park]

Your just jealous of my Submarine Pay !!
Mind you I was a skimmer first on HMS Antrim , Ulster and Rame Head

Old sea dog then! diesel boats then nukes? what year where you on the Antrim?

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

Old sea dog then! diesel boats then nukes? what year where you on the Antrim?

74 - 76 done the Med Commision I'm an ex Greenie