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To all of brave soldiers who are being made redundant.



Charlies Shinpad

Charlies Shinpad

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goldstone said:
That comment is way out of line.

He does have a point. Doing some of the stuff the military are trained to do hardly assists you to lead a normal life afterwards. It must be tough to adjust. are you denying this?
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He has no valid point at all IMHO.
In every day life on whatever you do you get people who can't lead a normal life. And if you read up on this a bit you will find most of the Ex Servicemen who end up on the wrong side of life are suffering PTSD as the government don't give a toss about you once you leave.
The American government is currently spending millions on providing ex servicemen with proper resettlement courses which last at least 6 months and also provide after care etc. over here you are given two weeks and then you are out on your arse and never thought of again
 




public school boy

public school boy

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Charlies Shinpad said:
He has no valid point at all IMHO.
In every day life on whatever you do you get people who can't lead a normal life. And if you read up on this a bit you will find most of the Ex Servicemen who end up on the wrong side of life are suffering PTSD as the government don't give a toss about you once you leave.
The American government is currently spending millions on providing ex servicemen with proper resettlement courses which last at least 6 months and also provide after care etc. over here you are given two weeks and then you are out on your arse and never thought of again
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My brother in law is in stationed in America at the San Diego naval base and he tells me how much the Americans respect their forces and ex service personel. Very different here where a person can get beaten up for wearing their uniform in public.
 


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spig100963

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goldstone said:
I will undoubtedly suffer much abuse for daring to ask this question, but here goes anyway.

Are all soldiers "brave" just by signing up for the military?

If so, how do you distinguish between the ones who go overseas to fight and risk their lives, and the ones who maybe are chefs and never go into battle?

If I was one of the former (unlikely, I know) I would be a little upset to know that my fellow soldier who fries up full Englishes in the navvie back 'ome was given the same "brave" label as me.

May I suggest that the words "brave" and "hero" are rather over-used in the context of the military. Surely you need to do something brave to earn the adjective? And by calling all soldiers "brave" you are undervaluing those who put their lives in danger.

It's a bit like the word "legend" in the context of football players ...
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No, not all soldiers are brave. Like in all walks of life, some are better than others. I can remember a young Marine, "bottle it." After being given our battle orders to attack Mt Harriet. Never seen a man cry like it. Looking back now, he was probably the sanest one amongst us.
Strange, but he was the lad giving it all the mouth on the way down to The Falklands.
That man did go into battle. With some very wise words from our Sgt Maj.

There are definitely different levels of bravery in the Armed Services. But only those who have served have the right to point it out. IMO.
 


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Charlies Shinpad said:
The reports you have read were probably done by Piers Morgan in his time as Daily Mirror Editor when he fabricated stories about British Soldiers in Iraq to sell his papers .
I've seen a few videos my son brought back from Afghan and it is a messy war out there.
If anyone fancies shitting in a plastic bag for 6 months and washing your clothes in a cement mixer every other day and freezing your nuts off in winter because the government give you sub standard equipment , living out of ration packs except one day a week .
I could go on and on but I will stop there.
I'm proud to have served my country and I know my sons are as well and doing what they do allows people like Dingo dan to have freedom of expression and to live a normal repression free life style because if he had posted those comments in another country he wouldn't be a free man now !
If anyone wants to talk to a young lad who is proud to serve then PM me and we can all meet up before October at The Amex over a beer before he starts his Pre op training for deployment to Afghan again
You listening Dingo Dan ????
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i might meet you and your boys, no need for any discussion though , i'll skip that and just buy you a beer !! what were you in as a matter of interest ?
 


ifuhatepalacestandup

ifuhatepalacestandup

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Charlies Shinpad said:
He has no valid point at all IMHO.
In every day life on whatever you do you get people who can't lead a normal life. And if you read up on this a bit you will find most of the Ex Servicemen who end up on the wrong side of life are suffering PTSD as the government don't give a toss about you once you leave.
The American government is currently spending millions on providing ex servicemen with proper resettlement courses which last at least 6 months and also provide after care etc. over here you are given two weeks and then you are out on your arse and never thought of again
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junior

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Dec 1, 2003
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Charlies Shinpad said:
He has no valid point at all IMHO.
In every day life on whatever you do you get people who can't lead a normal life. And if you read up on this a bit you will find most of the Ex Servicemen who end up on the wrong side of life are suffering PTSD as the government don't give a toss about you once you leave.
The American government is currently spending millions on providing ex servicemen with proper resettlement courses which last at least 6 months and also provide after care etc. over here you are given two weeks and then you are out on your arse and never thought of again
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Are you currently serving? Because whilst i agree with some of your comments, it is certainly NOT true that you just get 2 weeks training and then are out or your arse.
 






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daveinprague

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Private contractors? ..When did we stop calling mercenaries, mercenaries?

Regular military personel do a great job, but calling them all heroes detracts from individuals that have engaged in acts of individual courage, and valour in the face of the enemy etc.
 


Charlies Shinpad

Charlies Shinpad

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Bushy , I'm a former Polaris Submariner who also served on surface ships at an earlier time in my career.
We used to do 3 month patrols on the boats without seeing daylight etc. But it was no big deal as we were trained properly !!
Used to get pissed on 2 pints tho on our first night back off parole in the Hoolie Bar at Faslane !!
 






BadFish

BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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Charlies Shinpad said:
He has no valid point at all IMHO.
In every day life on whatever you do you get people who can't lead a normal life. And if you read up on this a bit you will find most of the Ex Servicemen who end up on the wrong side of life are suffering PTSD as the government don't give a toss about you once you leave.
The American government is currently spending millions on providing ex servicemen with proper resettlement courses which last at least 6 months and also provide after care etc. over here you are given two weeks and then you are out on your arse and never thought of again
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But this PTSD is caused by the horrible things that soldiers are expected to do during war time. Theses maybe the very same things that people do that make them a hero. They maybe some very very ugly things that haunt someone for the rest of their lives. Some of these things have been written about by ex soldiers (not just pier morgan) and by war journalists.

Are we not allowed to comment on these things without insulting armed forces or ex armed forces? I have nothing but respect for those who serve but am interested in what goes on and the effects that it has on them when they return.
 








BadFish

BadFish

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Charlies Shinpad said:
Badfish I agree with what you say but what he was implying was that all soldiers are trained to ransack houses and terrify children etc.
He couldn't be further from the truth
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I think he was making his point in a very clumsy and insensitive way. Not to mention offensive.
 
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