Time for Dick Knight to f*** off

[Rusco]

But the idea of a FANS phone in is just that.

When Norman Baker "spits" was on, the phone in was given over to yourself, Jim and Martin perry, and you made your points extremely well and hopefully this would have swayed a few more people, but you only have to look at the Argus to see that there still is a constant drizzle of people who snipe away

I've often wondered whether these stupid letters are actually written by fans posing as Falmer opponents, this would then give an informed Albion fan the chance to respond and put some fears to bed ... but that could be the old cynic in me

 

[ROSM]

Yes but I think you've formed your opinion based on the postings of a few fans on a message board, and a few calls to a phone in line. There are far more fans out there than those who reside here... and besides 10 years ago before the internet you wouldn't have had any message board to form an opinion from!

Crossroads? Nah....

no, I'm forming my opinion based on discussions I've had over xmas and new year with people who used to go to albion games.

reasons they give all seem to be based on what thy've read in letters pages of the argus, on the internet and hear on the phone in. The silent majority view doesn't come across but the extreme views (including the negatives) does.

Also, those who have worked hard for the albion (and for their troubles get labelled as acolytes or apologists etc.) just may not be so willing to put in their efforts in the future. That way, the club suffers at both ends.

 

[tedebear]

Ah well - I think you're jumping to conclusions, people wouldn't write to the argus and say "I have nothing to complain about but I'd just like to write in"...nor would they get on NSC and say "I haven't got a ticket for WHU - but I'm very happy about it" nor would they call the phone in just to say "I'm very happy with everything BHA related at the moment"...

So all you're basing your opinions on is negative press...I don't think that is the best way to form an honest opinion about what the fans of BHA do and don't want....

 

[ROSM]

I've often wondered whether these stupid letters are actually written by fans posing as Falmer opponents, this would then give an informed Albion fan the chance to respond and put some fears to bed ... but that could be the old cynic in me

it's a risky strategy if true. You would be relying on the letters page editor of the argus actually publishing the weight of replies, not stirring up enough anti's to write in with agreeing phrases to back the original letter writer and for those out there to read both the initial letter and the reply.

 

[Yorkie]

no, I'm forming my opinion based on discussions I've had over xmas and new year with people who used to go to albion games.

reasons they give all seem to be based on what thy've read in letters pages of the argus, on the internet and hear on the phone in. The silent majority view doesn't come across but the extreme views (including the negatives) does.

Also, those who have worked hard for the albion (and for their troubles get labelled as acolytes or apologists etc.) just may not be so willing to put in their efforts in the future. That way, the club suffers at both ends.

I've felt like that at times. In fact, many times.
It's cool to admire the detractors and think they're funny. The majority of people don't believe it though but unfortunately some do.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a phone in - but I am saying that we have to be aware of the negatives that come with it.

rather big BUT there.

Are you saying that giving people a voice is counter-productive?

Surely the strength of a democracy is being so sure of your argument that when it is open for scrutiny, it is strong enough to stand that scrutiny.

there are people out there and people on here who believe that Falmer will not happen - in some extreme cases, should not be allowed to happen. If those are the people who constantly post on here or phone in the show, then that is their choice. It is up to the rest of us to keep banging the drum.

You could say this is a very good advert for the show, but at the end of the day the show is only as good as the callers, as the critisism we received on here showed when levo and I did it after the MK Dons game when we only had 4 callers all night!

For all the people who moan about the phone in - " Oh i dont listen, I switch off "etc etc, if there is someone on it people do not agree with, then the counter argument is always the best way to reply.

 

[Nemesis]

but that's alright because so many on here say so. Those same people who criticise other people's efforts, ideas and statements from those who are trying to secure our ground.

I must be thick-I've read this bit numerous times and can't work out if we're on the same side?

 

[ROSM]

Ah well - I think you're jumping to conclusions, people wouldn't write to the argus and say "I have nothing to complain about but I'd just like to write in"...nor would they get on NSC and say "I haven't got a ticket for WHU - but I'm very happy about it" nor would they call the phone in just to say "I'm very happy with everything BHA related at the moment"...

So all you're basing your opinions on is negative press...I don't think that is the best way to form an honest opinion about what the fans of BHA do and don't want....

i think that's my point exactly. only extreme views (very happy or very negative) come across.

and as i said before - the negative posts on here will be read by (albeit a proportion) of keen supporters. What that does is dilute the will and efforts of those who are or could be working to help the club.

 

[ROSM]

I must be thick-I've read this bit numerous times and can't work out if we're on the same side?

we are - i was being ironic.

 

[Nemesis]

we are - i was being ironic.

I'd avoid irony in the future...

 

[Beach Hut]

but that's alright because so many on here say so. Those same people who criticise other people's efforts, ideas and statements from those who are trying to secure our ground.

The trouble is that the world of the internet and phone in etc has given certain individuals a louder voice than that which they deserve. Nothing sells better than controversy and intrigue so sadly many people cater to the lowest common demoninator.

Just when the fans need to be united against the common enemy in those who are trying to put us out of business by delaying our new stadium we end up with posts about how we mustn't blame LDC, how the board must change, insulting other supporters as bobble hats or DK apologists etc.

It is the arrogance of the whingers that is doing more to put people off going to withdean that any other single issue and I include west ham tickets in that.

And for that point - I really feel sorry for people like Beach Hut as his valid issues have been overshadowed by the ongoing whingefest.

It's abit like NIMBYs in as much as, the false and pathetic arguments of some, only aim to water down the valid arguments of others.

I am glad someone else saw the bigger picture.

I fear for this club if they are not prepared to look after the people who do actually put money in - it is commercial suicide.

I also think the club has got so "focused" on Falmer it has taken it's eye of the day to day finances.

Still you can all flame me as you disagree and believe the allocation was done fairly !

 

[tedebear]

i think that's my point exactly. only extreme views (very happy or very negative) come across.

and as i said before - the negative posts on here will be read by (albeit a proportion) of keen supporters. What that does is dilute the will and efforts of those who are or could be working to help the club.

Agreed sorry didn't understand you at first! ... Thats been the case for ages, for example when Perseus started his Pende campaign... and even in person he couldn't understand that his pointless tirades could been seen as ammunition for the opposition...

 

[ROSM]

rather big BUT there.

Are you saying that giving people a voice is counter-productive?

Surely the strength of a democracy is being so sure of your argument that when it is open for scrutiny, it is strong enough to stand that scrutiny.

there are people out there and people on here who believe that Falmer will not happen - in some extreme cases, should not be allowed to happen. If those are the people who constantly post on here or phone in the show, then that is their choice. It is up to the rest of us to keep banging the drum.

You could say this is a very good advert for the show, but at the end of the day the show is only as good as the callers, as the critisism we received on here showed when levo and I did it after the MK Dons game when we only had 4 callers all night!

For all the people who moan about the phone in - " Oh i dont listen, I switch off "etc etc, if there is someone on it people do not agree with, then the counter argument is always the best way to reply.

quite frankly I really cannot be bothered as despite having stated on here that this is not a criticism of the fans phone in - it seems that this keeps coming back again.

At times the immediacy of the internet and radio phone ins can very much have a negative impact. However, the onus is on the callers rather than the presenters and producers. What these provide is a platform for comments and statements without the accountability that goes with it. The use of pen names rather than real names gives an air of covertness that allows people to be less reliable with what they say.

the essence of democracy is about providing people with the platform to air their views in a free and balanced way. But when the phone in host says for example: 'we're not going to listen to any more callers who say that ldc are to blame for our current position' - then actually that very base level of democracy doesn't exist. For that reason, i dont think it is right to say that a phone in or the internet is a true test of a democratic process.

and there is a very big difference between scrutiny which is a balnced view on contra arguments - and what generally happens on the intrenet and the radio or TV vox pop sessions.

 

[tedebear]

It is up to the rest of us to keep banging the drum.

Completely and 100% agree!

Yes the phone in, NSC and the Argus can sometimes be platforms for the moaners and whingers - but they are also places for us to continue on with our campaign.

I think thats the only way to deal with all this....

 

[mona]

quite frankly I really cannot be bothered as despite having stated on here that this is not a criticism of the fans phone in - it seems that this keeps coming back again.

At times the immediacy of the internet and radio phone ins can very much have a negative impact. However, the onus is on the callers rather than the presenters and producers. What these provide is a platform for comments and statements without the accountability that goes with it. The use of pen names rather than real names gives an air of covertness that allows people to be less reliable with what they say.

the essence of democracy is about providing people with the platform to air their views in a free and balanced way. But when the phone in host says for example: 'we're not going to listen to any more callers who say that ldc are to blame for our current position' - then actually that very base level of democracy doesn't exist. For that reason, i dont think it is right to say that a phone in or the internet is a true test of a democratic process.

and there is a very big difference between scrutiny which is a balnced view on contra arguments - and what generally happens on the intrenet and the radio or TV vox pop sessions.

Unfortunately much of what you say goes way over the heads of the dumbed down. It is incredible that so many of our so-called fans don't realise that until the club has a permanent ground extinction is a very real possibility.
When Liam Brady and Gerry Ryan "recruited" Dick Knight nobody else wanted to take over BHAFC. I don't think things have changed on this.

 

[3gulls]

The current state of the parties:-

Labour 23
Conservative 20
Green 6
Liberal Democrat 3
Independent 2

Labour have already lost their majority. All it will take for them to cease being the largest party is for them to lose two seats.

Great lets kick the bastards out!

 

[The Large One]

Great lets kick the bastards out!

:thud:

The only party which is ACTIVELY supporting the Falmer Stadium site is the one you want kicked out.

You're priceless.

 

[supaseagull]

Great lets kick the bastards out!

Yes lets kick out the ONLY party that has EVER supported any form of planning application we have submitted whilst they were in charge of the Council!

Remember it was the Tories and LibDems that have royally f*cked us over in the last 20 years NOT Labour!

 

[Dave the OAP]

Yes lets kick out the ONLY party that has EVER supported any form of planning application we have submitted whilst they were in charge of the Council!

Remember it was the Tories and LibDems that have royally f*cked us over in the last 20 years NOT Labour!

my mate is a prospective Hove Tory Councillor, has been a season ticket for 30 odd years, sits in the North Stand, went to Gillingham and we used to go together back in th 70's to games when my dad was still alive. Bleeds blue and white and is 1000000000000000000000000000000% behind Falmer.

Therefore to tar everyone with your bigotted brush is a bit rich mate.

 

[mona]

my mate is a prospective Hove Tory Councillor, has been a season ticket for 30 odd years, sits in the North Stand, went to Gillingham and we used to go together back in th 70's to games when my dad was still alive. Bleeds blue and white and is 1000000000000000000000000000000% behind Falmer.

But how much influence does he have with other Tories?
It would be great if the Sussex Tories became more pro-Albion but sadly too many of them sympathise with the wealthy, little England, nimby mentality.