Time for Dick Knight to f*** off

[Dave the OAP]

But how much influence does he have with other Tories?
It would be great if the Sussex Tories became more pro-Albion but sadly too many of them sympathise with the wealthy, little England, nimby mentality.

so bloody what.

What influence has one person in a party have on any party?

To tar all tories/liberals/labourites with the same brush because their party doesnt necessarily agree with your point of view is pathetic in the extreme.

I take it the because the Civil Servants in Prescotts team cocked up the Yes letter, that all civil servants who work for the current government are anti falmer?

 

[mona]

so bloody what.

What influence has one person in a party have on any party?

To tar all tories/liberals/labourites with the same brush because their party doesnt necessarily agree with your point of view is pathetic in the extreme.

Sorry but I think you have misunderstood the point I was making.

I think it is a great pity that Lewes LibDems have turned this into a political issue. It does the stadium cause no favours at all.

Of course there are Tories and LibDems who are supportive of football in general and the Albion stadium bid in particular. There are also Labour individuals who aren't helping us at all.

The more individual councillors who come out in favour of the stadium the better. The point I was making was that there are some high profile Sussex Tories who are big opponents of the stadium.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I agree, but those "high profile" ones tend to be in seats that are historically country based, ie Soames and therefore you were never going to get them to agree and it is possibly a waste of time and effort trying.


supasegul of whatever was trying to say everyone aoprt from the labour group was anti stadium.

 

[Jim in the West]

Can't say I've followed all of this thread...haven't got the time (longer lunch breaks, please!). However, everyone seems to be getting worked up about the fact that some people (including a fair proportion on here) still think there is an alternative to Falmer, and that somehow we need to be concerned about the crack-pot letters in the Argus or the occasional voice of unreason on Harty's phone-in.

I work for an organisation which is currently preparing a very major, controversial planning application. The details are well known, and debated in the local press at least once or twice a week. The letters page of the local evening paper probably has three or four contributions a week from people opposed to what we're trying to do. Local politicians are mostly coming out against our plans. If we don't get permission to expand our business it will slowly decline, and the financial side of things may get worrying.

Personally, I get really wound up by the ill-informed nature of the debate - those who oppose my company's planning application are dealing almost entirely in falsehoods. Colleagues of mine appear on radio programmes (mainly Radio Bristol) and come up against spokespeople for the antis who really don't know what they're taking about.....it is extremely difficult to get our points across.

However, we WILL get planning permission (it's government policy....all the antis are doing is delaying the inevitable - although that is a pain, of course);

And the local politicians who publicly voice concerns are mostly privately in favour of our plans.

Our advisors are constantly tellig us NOT to respond to every negative comment....there is a time and a place for making the argument, and it needs to be chosen carefully. And just because the local press and radio seems to be monopolised by nimbys does not mean that the argument is being lost where it counts.

 

[BensGrandad]

In case anybody wants to have a pop at me let me state my exact positionand views on this.

I hope and pray that we will get Falmer end of argument.

However, as an outsider, who is not privy to every piece of information that is available on this issue, unlike some who post on NSC, it is my opinion gained from what I have heard and read about this issue, that there is a very good chance that permission may be refused by Ruth Kelly. With the club having categorically stated that there is not another site suitable for redelopement, to me that leaves one site, the one we play at now. i.e Withdean.

The alternative is to cease trading, as we will not have a pitch to play on. I feel that it is highly unlikely that the football authorities would be too keen to give us further permission to ground share or whatever for any length of time.

When the champagne was being given out at Withdean I told Ray Bloom that they were jumping the gun and sadly it has proven to be right.

I hear more and more supporters saying, in the ground, in the town, in the pubs that they are getting more sceptical about Falmer but unfortunately there is nothing that anybody can do to allay those fears. The club and the representatives of the various factions like Falmer for All have done all they can but still the seed is planted that all may not be well and nothing and nobody other than Ruth Kelly can remove that seed.

Can I point out this is not in any way meant or should be seen as having a pop at DK, MP or the board just an appraisal of the situation as I see it, mainly bought about by LDC and Norman Baker and their continued vendetta against this club.

 

[Jim D]

BG - what do you mean by 'a very good chance'? Greater than 50%? Surely not. That would mean a Labour Govt going against the mood of a number of Labour constituencies in favour of a LibDem one - and would also mean RC having to explain that Prescott was, in fact, completely wrong in granting permission in the first place. It might be the case, but it won't happen without a change of Government.

 

[tedebear]

it is my opinion gained from what I have heard and read about this issue, that there is a very good chance that permission may be refused by Ruth Kelly.

Thats your opinion - and I'm privvy to about the same information as you - and my opinion is that she will NOT refuse permission...

I hope I'm right - and that when we do get to Falmer - I'll have a better season ticket than you as you couldn't KEEP THE FAITH

Seriously I'm sad that you feel we're not going to get this - and I'm sad that you've not listened to the rest of the posters on this thread and myself who have said - if you don't think we're going to get it - why don't you keep a little more quiet about it - all you're doing is providing ammunition to the LDC and those who oppose Falmer with your questioning and calling for alternatives..... There was a time for questions and that time is long over. Move on and realize we could be a few months away from the most important decision of the clubs life.

 

[Icy Gull]

Has he gone yet?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

my mate is a prospective Hove Tory Councillor, has been a season ticket for 30 odd years, sits in the North Stand, went to Gillingham and we used to go together back in th 70's to games when my dad was still alive. Bleeds blue and white and is 1000000000000000000000000000000% behind Falmer.

The reason I brought the Tories into this thread was to make the point that they want us OUT OF WITHDEAN.

Why? Not because they are anti-football, but because they want to win the vote in the suburbs. Some B&H Tories back Falmer with conviction, the rest do because it's a vote-winner.

If we don't get Falmer, we won't get the support of Tory councillors to make Withdean our permanent home.

 

[BensGrandad]

Thats your opinion - and I'm privvy to about the same information as you - and my opinion is that she will NOT refuse permission...

I hope I'm right - and that when we do get to Falmer - I'll have a better season ticket than you as you couldn't KEEP THE FAITH

Seriously I'm sad that you feel we're not going to get this - and I'm sad that you've not listened to the rest of the posters on this thread and myself who have said - if you don't think we're going to get it - why don't you keep a little more quiet about it - all you're doing is providing ammunition to the LDC and those who oppose Falmer with your questioning and calling for alternatives..... There was a time for questions and that time is long over. Move on and realize we could be a few months away from the most important decision of the clubs life.

I fully accept what you are saying but do you really consider that the views of us 'hooligan supporters' will be taken into account by either Ruth Kelly or LDC. It hasn't as yet.

As you say the time for questions and alternative sites has gone. The club say that Falmer is the only answer and I fully accept that but being a natural half empty as opposed to a half full glass man I am deeply concerned of the eventual outcome in the possibility of a NO. I think that we all should be.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Dull and depressing thread. I don't think our present condition could be better from a director's point of view so no blame on DK. However, I am still undecided about Wendy and undecided that we made the right decision to get rid of McGhee. I also don't understand why in Augıst it was the manager's fault and now it's the director's fault. Either McGhee was right to be sacked and Wendy needs to watch his step or we were wrong to get rid of McGhee and DK is the real culprit. It can't be both.

I've said it before and I'll say it again... it's too early to say.... mid-table will be right for us at the end of the season.