The Second Investec Ashes Test, England v Australia, Lords

[doogie004]

104-9

 

[Phil B]

Make that 9 ....

 

[Questions]

9 down.

 

[BrightonGuy]

9 now

 

[Bold Seagull]

This. I don't understand why some DON'T want to turn the screw while we've got them. Why delay the inevitable? Get it done asap.

It so often doesn't work though. You may still win, but often the team following on bat with much more resilience 2nd time round, even if you win the match, if you let them get 300+ they get some of their batting confidence back and you've ended it up being in the field for 4 sessions.

If you want to turn the screw, get them back in the field for a day chasing about, post a massive lead, then bowl them out in a lost cause....

Looks like we'll find out though shortly.

I reckon even on a personal level Cook will want a bat to get himself a score in this series...

 

[knocky1]

And so that I can have my day at Lords on Sunday. I haven't missed a day at A Lords Test for honks. I will get withdrawal symptoms.

 

[larus]

With this lead (assuming nothing heroic from the last pair), then I'd want the follow on. We've bowled 45 overs, of which Swann has bowled 17.

From Cricinfo.
"Since the stroke of lunch, Australia have lost nine for 63... Here's Ryan Harris"

 

[Pavilionaire]

Its about BULLYING them, Mello. Making them toil in the field for two days, while we take our lead past 450 IS 'turning the screw'.

But they're 257 behind? Surely the best way for the bowlers to rest is not sitting down in a chair in the pavilionaire watching Pietersen but actually lying in the back garden on a lounger for 2 days having won the game by the end of Day 3?

 

[hybrid_x]

and to think i got EVENS on the Aussies getting under 260 an hour ago.......

now they are evens to go before 121 runs.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It so often doesn't work though. You may still win, but often the team following on bat with much more resilience 2nd time round, even if you win the match, if you let them get 300+ they get some of their batting confidence back and you've ended it up being in the field for 4 sessions.

If you want to turn the screw, get them back in the field for a day chasing about, post a massive lead, then bowl them out in a lost cause....

Looks like we'll find out though shortly.

I reckon even on a personal level Cook will want a bat to get himself a score in this series...

All of that. Good logic.

(the ticket money thing comes into it too, I reckon)

 

[Mellotron]

Its about BULLYING them, Mello. Making them toil in the field for two days, while we take our lead past 450 IS 'turning the screw'.

I'd rather humiliate them than tease them. Get it done asap. Imagine if one of our players gets injured because we're out there longer than necessary?

 

[Pavilionaire]

When the hound has the fox cornered does it:

a) Jig around "gangnam style", show him his stamp collection and order a pizza, or
b) Rip it's fvkking throat out?

 

[Smirko]

Bat again, ground them into the ground, 500 lead, bowl them out for 250, simples!

 

[hybrid_x]

all good points, but to follow on and lose by over an innings IS the ultimate humiliation.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

When the hound has the fox cornered does it:

a) Jig around "gangnam style", show him his stamp collection and order a pizza, or
b) Rip it's fvkking throat out?

When a cat has a mouse by the tail, does it

a) rip it's throat out?
b) toy with it for ten minutes, inflicting lots of unnecessary additional pain, even 'letting it get away' once or twice, before pouncing again, and finally killing it when it gets bored?

Nasty fukcers, cats.

 

[Mellotron]

It so often doesn't work though. You may still win, but often the team following on bat with much more resilience 2nd time round, even if you win the match, if you let them get 300+ they get some of their batting confidence back and you've ended it up being in the field for 4 sessions.

If you want to turn the screw, get them back in the field for a day chasing about, post a massive lead, then bowl them out in a lost cause....

Looks like we'll find out though shortly.

I reckon even on a personal level Cook will want a bat to get himself a score in this series...

All of that. Good logic.

(the ticket money thing comes into it too, I reckon)

Stats:

Matches where Follow-on enforced: 299
Won by Side Forced to Follow-on: 3
Won by Side Enforcing Follow-on: 228
Drawn: 68

You're wrong. It works.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Stats:

Matches where Follow-on enforced: 299
Won by Side Forced to Follow-on: 3
Won by Side Enforcing Follow-on: 228
Drawn: 68

It works.

That's terrific, but unless you've also got the stats for Tests, where a side had a 200+ lead and didn't enforce it, it doesn't really tell us much. Those sides probably also nearly always won.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Miles down leg. Austastic review.

 

[Acker79]

When the hound has the fox cornered does it:

a) Jig around "gangnam style", show him his stamp collection and order a pizza, or
b) Rip it's fvkking throat out?

When a cat has a mouse by the tail, does it

a) rip it's throat out?
b) toy with it for ten minutes, inflicting lots of unnecessary additional pain, even 'letting it get away' once or twice, before pouncing again, and finally killing it when it gets bored?

Nasty fukcers, cats.

I can't work out if "ripping its throat out" means get them to continue batting so you can get them out again, or if it means scoring so many more runs our runs total is massively more than theirs.

 

[Mellotron]

That's terrific, but unless you've also got the stats for Tests, where a side had a 200+ lead and didn't enforce it, it doesn't really tell us much. Those sides probably also nearly always won.

No.....Bold Seagull said that enforcing the follow on "so often doesn't work" - he's been proven comfortably wrong above.