The Right Honourable The Baroness Thatcher LG OM PC FRS lives... Hurrah!

[ROSM]

It is not a well structured argument though is it. It is just a usual left wing blame EVERYTHING on Thatcher reply which is just lazy thinking. QUOTE]

you clearly didnt read it - he criticises callaghan, major, blair etc too.

Pre falklands (so 2 years max to an election) her popularity was the LOWEST EVER by a prime minister at that point. Lower than heath, lower than wilson and lower than Callaghan. To face that deficit and the apparent support for a left wing party which as you say was in the grip of extreme militant socialism is something we do need to recognise. What the falkland conflict did was to allow a domestically vulnerable PM to appear resolute on the world stage which was a significant factor in her renewed support. I'm not saying it was engineered (although the miners' strike clearly was) but it had an effect.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I went into work this morning to find all the bunting had been taken down. The lame excuse was they put it up too early for the Diamond Jubilee celebrations.

 

[Castello]

watch and enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K-BZIWSI5UQ

If it offends anyone take it to someone who cares

 

[tedebear]

WHAT! Jackanory, Jackanory...fairytale time it seems. Wilson a very cunning and manipulative individual best known for supporting Huddersfield Town, brought us the 'white heat' of technological growth contributed to creating the assets Thatcher would give away (called privatisation). Callaghan great guy knew him on a personal level an outstanding human being, but could not get to grip with some of the unions, particularly coal miners.Intellectually used to take the pee out of Margaret thatcher during P M questions on the radio, very amusing. Thatcher arrives 1979. First act dramatic increase in pay for police and military. She knew she would need them. Set about taking on the miners. Wasted our North sea revenues (just starting at that time what a stroke of luck) by importing and stock piling coal from South Africa. (a pariah and illegal country to deal with at the time..note coal was shipped to Israel and then to here to make it appear legit.) It worked but at huge cost to our future energy needs and wasted money that could have gone to growth rather than unemployment and benefits (note the placing of unemployed on Invalidity benefit so they do not show up as unemployed.)Then through cuts, the planned withdrawal of HMS Endurance in the Falklands gave the Argies a green light to take the islands. Certainly ironic that a cut like that led to her winning a war of her own making and Hey it only cost a few soldiers/sailors lives! So blood on her hands.(p.s are we to see a repeat by Cameron? Cuts to our aircraft carriers and Harriers?) She had looked to be heading for electoral humiliation but thanks to the Falkland factor she won the next election. More damage was to follow, the education system was remodelled on a failing American system, we got SATS and a National Curriculum we set about lowering exam grades to pander to her perceived support so they could get grade 'A's'. Result undermine British education and lay the groundwork for our current need to import skilled labour. Cuts in the NHS privatise cleaning services (oh how did that work out...MRSA anyone?) How about freeing up the financial regulations in 1987. Big Bang they called it.. well that is what got us in the mess we are in now ..i.e 110% or self assessed mortgages hmm! Now we are going to have to try and put that genie back in the bottle. Selling off the nationalised industries, you know the ones that were apparently so inefficient and cheaply run to inefficient glossy and expensive. I just love paying my hard earned to some French or German stakeholder rather than keeping some Brit in work. Then the disaster of unbalancing our economy, we must be a service based economy she said our future is banking and insurance the city...oops never thought that might go tits up! I could go on and on and on about the disaster of Thatcher. How about Major well the grey man just lived off those north sea revenues but at least he started to allow revenues to filter down. Blair or Mr Smooth Labour but I think history will identify him as a Tory. He failed to reverse the Thatcher legacy. He even stated he greatly admired her. As for the future well north sea oil is now in decline but West Scotland oil is about to start up so will we see history repeat? Another Falklands and lovely oil revenues.. Will it all be squandered on political doctrine as with Mrs T? Don't let Scotland go Mr C or England is screwed.
The damage Thatcher did to this nation has haunted us for years and I feel unless we are willing to learn from history we are doomed to repeat it. Just as the demise of Hitler was celebrated so should the demise of the dictatorial Mrs T.

Do you wear a one eyed pirate patch?

 

[kevtherev]

Done so much wrong, the country voted her in three times. Blimey she must have been really terrible. I expect when she see's the state the country is in today she probably can't wait to go. For better or worse she is someone's mother and grandmother. Shame on anyone wishing her dead.

 

[Castello]

Done so much wrong, the country voted her in three times. Blimey she must have been really terrible. I expect when she see's the state the country is in today she probably can't wait to go. For better or worse she is someone's mother and grandmother. Shame on anyone wishing her dead.

Believe me she made it clear many times she wished no different for people like me.

 

[kevtherev]

Believe me she made it clear many times she wished no different for people like me.

I must have missed that speech.Which one was that then? Sure it would have been repeated many times.

 

[tedebear]

Believe me she made it clear many times she wished no different for people like me.

When you say like me - what do you mean?

 

[Beach Hut]

Believe me she made it clear many times she wished no different for people like me.

Presumably you are lazy sponger off the welfare state, if so, she was perfectly right

 

[Castello]

I must have missed that speech.Which one was that then? Sure it would have been repeated many times.

She made clear many times what she thought of socialists and trade unionists. Including calling us the enemy within.

 

[tedebear]

She made clear many times what she thought of socialists and trade unionists. Including calling us the enemy within.

Where/when did she wish you dead? (Just so you know its an honest question - being Australian this is all fascinating to me as an observer)

 

[Mutts Nuts]

I am waiting for the operation too. If it can make me do a cartwheel I shall be well impressed. As for Thatcher I hope she burns in hell.

She will have fun in hell, you may be there to meet her if your op does not go well you sad little man

 

[Castello]

Presumably you are lazy sponger off the welfare state, if so, she was perfectly right

and out comes the hate filled presumptions I have learned to expect from some people on here. I have made clear my occupation on several occasions on here. However you clearly feel that some unemployed people should be killed. Makes me wonder where such hatred comes from.

 

[kevtherev]

She made clear many times what she thought of socialists and trade unionists. Including calling us the enemy within.

The trade unions were holding the country to ransom. She stamped it out, quite rightly so. In fact she stamped on everyone who thought they could hold the country to ransom. Domestic and foreign, bloody shame she is not still around leading the country. She's the only leader in modern time's that has had a real pair of bollocks.

 

[Beach Hut]

and out comes the hate filled presumptions I have learned to expect from some people on here. I have made clear my occupation on several occasions on here. However you clearly feel that some unemployed people should be killed. Makes me wonder where such hatred comes from.

Haven't a clue what your occupation is at all and no I would not want unemployed people killed however there are many long term unemployed who chose that route as more convenient, listen to Norman who said get on your bike - another political hero of our times.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

Yes, but, what was really the problems with her

Actually this was a well structured argument that will clearly go above many people's heads. Thanks for taking the time to write it. The fact that a labour party with Michael Foot as leader came so close to winning the 83 election (the falklands effect discounted) should tell people something.

I wont be dancing in the street when she dies - I wont be dancing on her grave ( as a great war leader she'll probbaly screw the haters by being buried at sea) but dont expect me to shed a tear for the demise of a divisive figure who has done more to cause and define the mess we're now in than any PM since. To see the mess we're in now you have to look at the decisions taken a generation ago. That is always true in life and not restricted to Mrs T

In the 83 election with Foot as leader labour had it`s lowest share of the vote since 1918,how were they close to winning

 

[Castello]

Where/when did she wish you dead? (Just so you know its an honest question - being Australian this is all fascinating to me as an observer)

I stated people like me not me personally. By which i mean trade unionists and socialists who opposed her. She saw us as treasonous. I believe the penalty at the time for treason was the death penalty.

 

[Beach Hut]

The trade unions were holding the country to ransom. She stamped it out, quite rightly so. In fact she stamped on everyone who thought they could hold the country to ransom. Domestic and foreign, bloody shame she is not still around leading the country. She's the only leader in modern time's that has had a real pair of bollocks.

Bravely took on an idiot deluded with power who thought he ran the country but in reality was a 2nd rate trade union leader who was wrong - rise up brother Arthur

 

[Beach Hut]

I stated people like me not me personally. By which i mean trade unionists and socialists who opposed her. She saw us as treasonous. I believe the penalty at the time for treason was the death penalty.

in the dark ages, have you not moved on from then ?

 

[Castello]

The trade unions were holding the country to ransom. She stamped it out, quite rightly so. In fact she stamped on everyone who thought they could hold the country to ransom. Domestic and foreign, bloody shame she is not still around leading the country. She's the only leader in modern time's that has had a real pair of bollocks.

Whether you agree with her or not, you have just demonstrated she did indeed want people like me eradicated. I thank you for you assistance in proving my point. And yes she probably had a bigger pair of bollocks that most Tories. I'm guessing you include DC in that.