The most convincing case fort the death penalty. ffs.

[The Brighton Buzz]

My problem is, for proven Murder life should mean life. Not 14 years reduced to 10 for good behaviour. Whilst not agreeing to the death penalty, I can't help think that it would act as a deterrant to those who would think if I take a life I will lose mine. All murderers and rapists are cowards so anything that helps reduce these crimes is ok with me.

 

[martyn20]

My problem is, for proven Murder life should mean life. Not 14 years reduced to 10 for good behaviour. Whilst not agreeing to the death penalty, I can't help think that it would act as a deterrant to those who would think if I take a life I will lose mine. All murderers and rapists are cowards so anything that helps reduce these crimes is ok with me.

Right. I want people to die in prison but of old age not state execution

 

[BigGully]

My problem is, for proven Murder life should mean life. Not 14 years reduced to 10 for good behaviour. Whilst not agreeing to the death penalty, I can't help think that it would act as a deterrant to those who would think if I take a life I will lose mine. All murderers and rapists are cowards so anything that helps reduce these crimes is ok with me.

Really, you honestly believe that men that rape children need a deterrent ?

Nah, they have such a perverted sexual drive they need to be put to death.

 

[BadFish]

If life is life with no parole, are we working on the assumption that their is absolutely no chance of rehabilitation? I would like to believe that even the perpetrators of the most heinous crimes could through psycholoogical help and therapy become decent members of society. Isn't this more preferable than having them sit in prison at the tax payers expence?

I accept that many cannot be rehabilitated but without the parole system in place (or death penalty for that matter) there is absolutely no chance of it.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The taking of life is wrong whether it is by an individual or the state.

Agreed.

 

[Shegull]

Mass Killer Breivik's Cell Has Private Gym


As I previously posted the death penalty is too good a punishment for some but this is just taking the complete piss. Prisons the world over need to take a long hard look at the way people are made to suffer for their crimes. This guy should definitely be left to rot in a small cell for 23 hours a day, but to say that if he is found to be insane he will have a private wing and 17 staff running after him is a joke.

I wonder if the families of the people he massacred will be privy to such luxuries if it all gets to much for them and they need any kind of medical treatment to come to terms with what happened. They'll probably have to join a waiting list for treatment for a start.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Life should mean life ......... what if they are innocent ... make your mind up.

Just asking that question shows you really haven't thought about the death penalty.

 

[Falkor]

Mass Killer Breivik's Cell Has Private Gym


As I previously posted the death penalty is too good a punishment for some but this is just taking the complete piss. Prisons the world over need to take a long hard look at the way people are made to suffer for their crimes. This guy should definitely be left to rot in a small cell for 23 hours a day, but to say that if he is found to be insane he will have a private wing and 17 staff running after him is a joke.

I wonder if the families of the people he massacred will be privy to such luxuries if it all gets to much for them and they need any kind of medical treatment to come to terms with what happened. They'll probably have to join a waiting list for treatment for a start.

i posted this a while back, norway has a very different tackle on crime and it seems to work, Breivik is a different kettle of fish mind

 

[glasfryn]

having spent a lot of time(prison officer) with the sort of people who might have been considered for capital punishment (the death penalty)before that time, during that time and still now I have never thought that state killing for murder was right.
the problem is that successive governments have never had the forethought to build high security prisons to hold lifers they have adapted extended but never built or added enough staff to make this happen until that happens we will always be looking to release prisoners to keep the prison population down to save money.

 

[BigGully]

Just asking that question shows you really haven't thought about the death penalty.

It was a play on your lack of confidence in the justice system, you must be bereft every time a life sentence is handed out.

The death penalty is of course the ultimate sanction, but I think with modern methods you can find undeniable verdicts and if those kinda verdicts prompted the death penalty for those men that abducted and raped that child, then good good good.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It was a play on your lack of confidence in the justice system, you must be bereft every time a life sentence is handed out.

The death penalty is of course the ultimate sanction, but I think with modern methods you can find undeniable verdicts and if those kinda verdicts prompted the death penalty for those men that abducted and raped that child, then good good good.

Plenty of cases get appealed and overturned every year - often due to new evidence. That means your perfect world of guaranteed guilt doesn't exist ( nor could it ever ).

 

[highway61]

I was a little reluctant to post on this thread, and have not read the majority of the comments. As many of you know my daughter was murdered by her partner some 4 years ago. That I guess would have given due cause for backing the death penalty, but if has not . I have always felt that way, and continue to do so.

 

[Acker79]

It was a play on your lack of confidence in the justice system, you must be bereft every time a life sentence is handed out.

The death penalty is of course the ultimate sanction, but I think with modern methods you can find undeniable verdicts and if those kinda verdicts prompted the death penalty for those men that abducted and raped that child, then good good good.

It is a poor play on it then, because there is a massive, obvious and important difference: sentancing someone to life in prison, then discovering you were wrong, means you can let them out of prison. You can't bring someone back to life if you later find their conviction unsafe.

 

[Acker79]

Nah, I am not gonna let you off your hook mate .....

You implied that some posters on here might tolerate rape of a girl as opposed to the rape of a boy, again re-read your post, absolutely you deserve NO simple courtesy.

I'm not surprised he implied that. It was my initial wondering too, though I framed my original question with other crimes, because I had read a few articles about Todd Akin recently and wondered if that was affecting the way read it.

But, look at the emphasis in these posts:

They raped a 14 year old f***ing boy.

As soon as you do that, you lose all rights to be treated as a human.

Not "a f***ing 14 year old" emphasising the youth, but a "14 year old f***ing boy" emphasising that it was a boy.

Would you feel the same if it was your 14 year old boy?

Usually when people wonder about how being related to a victim would affect someone's position they widen the posible relations "what if it was you wife/daughter/sister?" "What if it was your kid". This quote re-iterates "14 year old boy".

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

It was a play on your lack of confidence in the justice system, you must be bereft every time a life sentence is handed out.

The death penalty is of course the ultimate sanction, but I think with modern methods you can find undeniable verdicts and if those kinda verdicts prompted the death penalty for those men that abducted and raped that child, then good good good.

There is always room for things to ge wrong:

• People can fabricate evidence
• Who's to say that methods used now may not be thoroughly discredited in 20 years time - somebody might blow a hole in the reliability of DNA evidence.
• Experts can be incompetent - viz the first pathologist who examined ian Tomlinson, who was struck off yesterday because he said he had a heart attack rather than suffering from internal bleeding
• And however cast-iron the case, the right (or wrong) mix of prosecution and defence lawyers could mean it all goes wrong.

I am implacably opposed to capital punishment anyway, but the possibility of mistakes is not the reason why I am so opposed. I don't believe it is right, would not be prepared to pull the lever/administer the injection/ pull the trigger or whatever myself and would not therefore expect anybody else to do it on my behalf.

Finally, I read the autobiography many years ago of Albert(?) Pierrepoint, the last state executioner in this country. He ended up by saying he didn't think that hanging did any good at all.

 

[BigGully]

It is a poor play on it then, because sentancing someone to life in prison, then discovering you were wrong, means you can let them out of prison. You can't bring someone back to life if you later find their conviction unsafe.

It was based on that you cannot give them back their lost years either, so your fear of a wrongful conviction must be with you now irrespective of the death penalty.

Of course there is indisputable guilt, its silly to suggest otherwise.

I am aware of the complexities of having the death penalty, I might even venture to say that it is unlikely to ever happen, but those vermin that abducting and raped that young boy and those of their ilk would be a great starting point to give it a go.

 

[martyn20]

It was based on that you cannot give them back their lost years either, so your fear of a wrongful conviction must be with you now irrespective of the death penalty.

Of course there is indisputable guilt, its silly to suggest otherwise.

I am aware of the complexities of having the death penalty, I might even venture to say that it is unlikely to ever happen, but those vermin that abducting and raped that young boy and those of their ilk would be a great starting point to give it a go.

Explain what you mean by 'indisputable guilt'

 

[Acker79]

It was based on that you cannot give them back their lost years either, so your fear of a wrongful conviction must be with you now irrespective of the death penalty.

You can't give them back their years, but they can be compensated, and more importantly, they are still alive. Wrongly imprisoning someone is not as bad as wrongly killing them. There isno way back, and to suggest they are comparable is wrong.

 

[Gritt23]

Mass Killer Breivik's Cell Has Private Gym


As I previously posted the death penalty is too good a punishment for some but this is just taking the complete piss. Prisons the world over need to take a long hard look at the way people are made to suffer for their crimes. This guy should definitely be left to rot in a small cell for 23 hours a day, but to say that if he is found to be insane he will have a private wing and 17 staff running after him is a joke.

I wonder if the families of the people he massacred will be privy to such luxuries if it all gets to much for them and they need any kind of medical treatment to come to terms with what happened. They'll probably have to join a waiting list for treatment for a start.

I'd happily live in a society that sentenced Breivik to death, sleep at night perfectly well, and yes, happily kick the stool away. Hell, I'd buy tickets for a lottery where that was the prize, and the proceeds went to the families.

As for the child rapists, yeah, string them up too. I would have absolutely no problem with that at all.

 

[martyn20]

I'd happily live in a society that sentenced Breivik to death, sleep at night perfectly well, and yes, happily kick the stool away. Hell, I'd buy tickets for a lottery where that was the prize, and the proceeds went to the families.

As for the child rapists, yeah, string them up too. I would have absolutely no problem with that at all.

Murder is rare in Norway, they have a very Liberal system where people are not as interested in punishment and revenge as say the US which lock people up for life and even take life. Which country has a better crime rate? Which country is a safer place to live in?