The most convincing case fort the death penalty. ffs.

[martyn20]

Of course you might be dismissing modern forensic evidence, which would most definitely exonerate those innocent.

I have said that I am not a law maker and the consequences of the death penalty are complex, my position remains that those men/man that abducted and raped that child should be killed and for me I would have no reservation in that happening.

I acknowledge that the procedure of the death penalty actually happening is unlikely for many reasons, some of which have been mentioned.

But for me personally I have not one jot of angst should that man/men be caught and put to death, it aint gonna happen but I wish it would.

In many of those cases it was the police that fabricated confessions and made the evidence match, they would have altered the scientific evidence as well.
You would have happily killed all these innocent people!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Of course you might be dismissing modern forensic evidence, which would most definitely exonerate those innocent.

I have said that I am not a law maker and the consequences of the death penalty are complex, my position remains that those men/man that abducted and raped that child should be killed and for me I would have no reservation in that happening.

I acknowledge that the procedure of the death penalty actually happening is unlikely for many reasons, some of which have been mentioned.

But for me personally I have not one jot of angst should that man/men be caught and put to death, it aint gonna happen but I wish it would.

Do you think this makes you a better and more compassionate human being than those who argue the death penalty is wrong as this is the crux of it ? Anyone who thinks the death penalty is wrong for the numerous reasons given are made out to be almost as bad as the kiddy fiddlers themselves which I find quite offensive.

 

[BigGully]

Do you think this makes you a better and more compassionate human being than those who argue the death penalty is wrong as this is the crux of it ? Anyone who thinks the death penalty is wrong for the numerous reasons given are made out to be almost as bad as the kiddy fiddlers themselves which I find quite offensive.

Nope, cannot see where you think I have said that.

I expect the general consensus, is that maybe you are more compassionate if you are against the death penalty.

I cannot see where your interpretation has come from US.

 

[BigGully]

In many of those cases it was the police that fabricated confessions and made the evidence match, they would have altered the scientific evidence as well.
You would have happily killed all these innocent people!

I am not willing to accept, that there would be inter departmental corruption to the scale needed to falsely accuse and convict a person in the modern arena, especially with something like child rape for instance, where there is less of an inclination for political involvement.

 

[Big_Unit]

I heard they were disguising themselves as schools to sneak up on children.

...and their computers smell of hammers...

 

[BBassic]

Abduction, violent rape and murder of children for many might be considered an 'acceptable reason' to have the death penalty.

No. Offenders should be locked away but not murdered. We're just as barbaric as they are if we resort to killing criminals.

 

[Falkor]

cant be ass with the abuse

 

[Storer 68]

You bleeding hearts make me sick. In my opinion, raping a young boy is far worse than murder, and deserves the maximum retribution, not life at the taxpayers' expense in some luxurious high-security jail. How would you feel if it was your young son? These people are the lowest of the low.

My cousin was murdered. I'd still not want the death penalty to be applied . It would not solve anything. It would not change anything. It would not bring her back. All that is left is two children with a lot of justifiable anger and hurt who went to their parents' funerals before they started senior school.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

There is no acceptable reason to have the death penalty.

People will argue it reduces crime. I would say look to the United States. Still as crime ridden as ever.

The death penalty is just murder, pure and simple.

Yep take away the life a piece of scum that does not to deserve to breath good honest fresh air.

 

[HovaGirl]

The taking of life is wrong whether it is by an individual or the state.

Absolutely agree with this.

 

[Falkor]

im sorry but you guys need to realize its not just a case of sexual assault its the consequences that follow.

The sentences are shit and half of them get new names when they come out

 

[martyn20]

im sorry but you guys need to realize its not just a case of sexual assault its the consequences that follow.

The sentences are shit and half of them get new names when they come out

As I have said sentences are a joke, life should mean life and people should die of old age in prison. Death cannot be considered until the system is 100% error free and it's way short of that.

 

[The Buttery Biscuit Base]

Yep take away the life a piece of scum that does not to deserve to breath good honest fresh air.

What's dishonest fresh air then?

 

[Falkor]

Also with regards to this case 2months for the pictures to come out soon 2 months of these sexual predators walking free and not one person knowing what happened

 

[melias shoes]

Then you're as bad as them. Boy, I wsh the schools would go back.

If that was my son they would be living on death row. Does that make me as bad as them.?

 

[Fungus]

If that was my son they would be living on death row. Does that make me as bad as them.?

And when you've killed them, what happens to you? And your family?

 

[Castello]

What absolute rubbish.

In some cases there can be some blurring of an allegation when say a 16year old b/f and a 14 year old g/f and there can be a doubt of consent on say date rape, but it is absurd to say that rape of a 14 year old girl is somehow tolerated whereas an abusive attack on a boy is not.

I do not think ANY poster would accept your interpretation.

Please do me a simple courtesy, as I would expect any poster to do and read my post. I did not suggest that rape of a 14 year old girl was tolerated I suggested no one was screaming for the death penalty for rape of 14 year old girls.

I did suggest that the original poster might be better advised to get upset at how low a conviction rate rape in general has rather than screaming for the death penalty in one case.

I would offer the same advice to you

 

[BadFish]

[MENTION=23800]NickBHAFC18[/MENTION]: Absolutely get why articles like that get people riled, but the key word there is "brags". It's just bravado, with the intention being to get exactly the reaction you had.

If you really think prisons are so cushy, get involved in a Board of Visitors/ Independent Monitoring Board, there's nothing stopping any poster in this thread from doing that rather than going on second-hand accounts for papers with agendas. Go see for yourself. I'm not saying people are wrong to have these views, just that their views have been guided by unreliable and often malicious sources.

I only needed to be at Pentonville for a day to realise how much shit the papers talk about prisons. I visited many other prisons during the course of that job, and while the Cat D prisons could be described as a bit cushy (but only by a joyless Puritan), they're there to aid resettlement on release, so there's a good case for them to vaguely resemble outside life.

Our prisons are admittedly much more comfortable than America's. They're also much LESS comfortable than Norway's. The US is one of the few countries to have a far worse rate of recidivism than we do. Can you guess where has a far, far lower reoffending rate?

I understand this urge to have retribution as a key part of the justice system, I really do. I've been a victim of a few violent crimes, as have members of my family, and I'd personally take great pleasure in seeing the perpetrators take a beating. However, I have to face up to the statistically evident fact that retribution has appalling results as a way of dealing with crime, whilst rehabilitation has phenomenal success rates. Rehabilitation has more successful outcomes for society than retribution; the fact that it also has more successful outcomes for prisoners is immaterial when assessing the moral value of the approach (imo), but absolutely key to assessing what actually works.

A highly intelligent post based on real life experience and some research. I would prefer to have a judicial system based of these ideals than one based on anger, vengence and retribution.

 

[BigGully]

Please do me a simple courtesy, as I would expect any poster to do and read my post. I did not suggest that rape of a 14 year old girl was tolerated I suggested no one was screaming for the death penalty for rape of 14 year old girls.

I did suggest that the original poster might be better advised to get upset at how low a conviction rate rape in general has rather than screaming for the death penalty in one case.

I would offer the same advice to you

Nah, I am not gonna let you off your hook mate .....

You implied that some posters on here might tolerate rape of a girl as opposed to the rape of a boy, again re-read your post, absolutely you deserve NO simple courtesy.

 

[BigGully]

As I have said sentences are a joke, life should mean life and people should die of old age in prison. Death cannot be considered until the system is 100% error free and it's way short of that.

Life should mean life ......... what if they are innocent ... make your mind up.