The most convincing case fort the death penalty. ffs.

[Barrel of Fun]

Not wanting the death penalty doesn't mean you condone or sympathise with the criminal. It just means you don't want to live in a society where state sanctioned murder is acceptable.

Indeed. I had a rather heated debate with an Iranian ex-pat. He seemed to think that I was condoning the behaviour of murderous scum, by being vehemently against the death penalty. Wouldn't hear otherwise.

 

[Nibble]

Indeed. I had a rather heated debate with an Iranian ex-pat. He seemed to think that I was condoning the behaviour of murderous scum, by being vehemently against the death penalty. Wouldn't hear otherwise.

Unfortunately there are people in this country, indeed on this board , who are failing to grasp basic ideas. I think I remember a poster on here who, without irony, once said something along the lines of Muslims being from the dark ages with their laws and if they did anything to his family he'd have them strung up.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Again what is your view ?

If you accept Ian Huntleys guilt, as everyone including he does, what then ??

Cut to the chase.

How do you measure 100% guilt ?

You even start your question with the word "if" meaning that there's a possibility that there's someone who doesn't believe Huntley is guilty.

As it isn't possible to absolutely guarantee that someone is guilty, and that it never will be, I can't support a punishment that could, and has, sent an innocent person to their death. What if it was you found guilty and sentenced to death when it really wasn't you that committed the crime ? How would you feel during those last few hours of your life ? What would you chose as your last meal knowing you wouldn't see another day despite not having done anything wrong ? What would you do for the last few moments of your innocent life ? Would you cry with dispare ? Or maybe you would shit yourself as they lead you to the gallows ?

Only an unfeeling and arrogant person would truly belief the death penalty was a sensible punishment in a civilised society - or of course a completely dumb American.

 

[Acker79]

Whats your point, are you saying that if they go to jail they get killed anyway and then you advocate them to go to jail !!!

We are on the same side here.

No, we're not. My point is that, even if you are right about how comfy prison is for most prisoners (you're not), it's a different story for paedophiles in prison. They are the lowest of the low, they are treated as such.

 

[Wozza]

A handful of wrong convictions does not justify not topping any of these people.

But what if YOUR SON was wrongly convicted?

 

[Hamilton]

The taking of life is wrong whether it is by an individual or the state.

 

[terryberry1]

Stone them

 

[Castello]

Without wanting to take from the seriousness of the crime - is your real anger because it was a 14 year old BOY. What about say a 15 or 16 year old girl would that make a difference.

And yes the death penalty would be wrong for any crime - murder included. They should of course be left to langrish in a cell for 23 hours a day with no privileges of any kind other than the basic food and clothes that they need. They should be made to slowly suffer for the crime they committed. Unfortunately, it seems that unless you live in the likes of America, that will just never happen. There are too many humanitatirans out there who want to fight for the rights of the accused. Any kind of death penalty would be too quick for them They should be left to rot.

Its very easy to say in anger that he/she should be hung. But lets be honest in most of these cases hanging is too good for them.

This

And it only took 71 posts for anyone to spot the underlying prejudice in the original statement. That raping a 14 year boy is worse than raping a 14 year old girl. Why do I say prejudice, because rapes of 14 year old girls are far more common, and no one is screaming for the death penalty in these cases. Indeed rape of women has an extremely low conviction rate, and yet rather than get irate about this, the Op goes massively overboard in seeking the death penalty when its a male.

 

[itszamora]

Some very good points have been made here - one, that it seems the OP inherently sees the rape of a 14-year-old boy as more serious than a girl, that allowing the state to kill is a VERY slippery slope as who knows what "crimes" might one day attract the death penalty, and also crucially, the completely perverse nature of the death penalty. Think about it. The state says committing a crime is wrong - in this case rape, but clearly killing people is also wrong. The punishment for this crime is killing. But, wait a minute, I thought the state said killing people was wrong and a crime? The whole concept of the death penalty is totally perverse and utterly open to abuse - and I haven't even touched on the very valid issue of miscarriages of justice.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

14 year old boy raped

Manchester police seek two men in connection with shopping centre rape | UK news | guardian.co.uk

I'd happily kick the stool.

Vile sub human bastards.

The death penalty is only suitable for scum like that if it is very slow and very painfull,Hanging no , lethal injection nne year in prison yes,but only to give the vile vermin time to think about dying the death of a thousand cuts,which would be my choice of method for the execution

 

[Twizzle]

They raped a 14 year old f***ing boy.

As soon as you do that, you lose all rights to be treated as a human.

Just wondering..... is that any different from rape on a girl?

Edit; i only read the early posts, now i see thispoint has b.een raised by others

Because a female has a vagina does not make it any less violating for the victim.
I wonder if some people assume it's sex so therefore could hold some enjoyment for the victim if shes female?

 

[Twizzle]

They raped a 14 year old f***ing boy.

As soon as you do that, you lose all rights to be treated as a human.

Just wondering..... is that any different from rape on a girl?

 

[BigGully]

No, we're not. My point is that, even if you are right about how comfy prison is for most prisoners (you're not), it's a different story for paedophiles in prison. They are the lowest of the low, they are treated as such.

They are segregated, never get near the 'normal' prison population you have been watching too much porridge and scum ...... the attacks we read of are generally by other prisoners of a similar status.

I am right that prison is comfy, to you and I maybe not but to the general lag its an absolute doddle.

 

[BigGully]

This

And it only took 71 posts for anyone to spot the underlying prejudice in the original statement. That raping a 14 year boy is worse than raping a 14 year old girl. Why do I say prejudice, because rapes of 14 year old girls are far more common, and no one is screaming for the death penalty in these cases. Indeed rape of women has an extremely low conviction rate, and yet rather than get irate about this, the Op goes massively overboard in seeking the death penalty when its a male.

What absolute rubbish.

In some cases there can be some blurring of an allegation when say a 16year old b/f and a 14 year old g/f and there can be a doubt of consent on say date rape, but it is absurd to say that rape of a 14 year old girl is somehow tolerated whereas an abusive attack on a boy is not.

I do not think ANY poster would accept your interpretation.

 

[spring hall convert]

No they are not, total nonsense.

Birmingham 6 - dead
Judith Ward - dead
Guilford 4 - dead
Maguire 7 -dead
Stefan Kiszcko - dead
John Joesph Boyle - dead
Paul Blackburn - dead
Brigewater 4 - dead
Peggy Fell - dead
Sean Hodgson -dead
Winston Silcott -dead
Cardiff 3 - dead
And a more recent one, Barry George - dead

That's 32 innocents you had killed there and it only took me 5 minutes. 1 is too many.

The really concerning thing is episodes like the Brimingham 6, Guilford 4, Winston Silcott, where political, press and public pressure led the police to stitch up innocents. You don't think that happens any more?

Also, they aren't even proven guilty. Shall we wait a bit before wishing death on them or do you not remember this chap (Joanna Yeates murder: Christopher Jefferies profile - Telegraph)

 

[Storer 68]

You what? Are you suggesting such perverts deserve to live?

Best make sure you get the right men then. Cos if you apply the death penalty you can't go back and change your verdict.

 

[BBassic]

There is no acceptable reason to have the death penalty.

People will argue it reduces crime. I would say look to the United States. Still as crime ridden as ever.

The death penalty is just murder, pure and simple.

 

[El Presidente]

I wonder if some people assume it's sex so therefore could hold some enjoyment for the victim if shes female?

George Galloway might!

 

[BigGully]

Birmingham 6 - dead
Judith Ward - dead
Guilford 4 - dead
Maguire 7 -dead
Stefan Kiszcko - dead
John Joesph Boyle - dead
Paul Blackburn - dead
Brigewater 4 - dead
Peggy Fell - dead
Sean Hodgson -dead
Winston Silcott -dead
Cardiff 3 - dead
And a more recent one, Barry George - dead

That's 32 innocents you had killed there and it only took me 5 minutes. 1 is too many.

The really concerning thing is episodes like the Brimingham 6, Guilford 4, Winston Silcott, where political, press and public pressure led the police to stitch up innocents. You don't think that happens any more?

Also, they aren't even proven guilty. Shall we wait a bit before wishing death on them or do you not remember this chap (Joanna Yeates murder: Christopher Jefferies profile - Telegraph)

Of course you might be dismissing modern forensic evidence, which would most definitely exonerate those innocent.

I have said that I am not a law maker and the consequences of the death penalty are complex, my position remains that those men/man that abducted and raped that child should be killed and for me I would have no reservation in that happening.

I acknowledge that the procedure of the death penalty actually happening is unlikely for many reasons, some of which have been mentioned.

But for me personally I have not one jot of angst should that man/men be caught and put to death, it aint gonna happen but I wish it would.

 

[BigGully]

There is no acceptable reason to have the death penalty.

People will argue it reduces crime. I would say look to the United States. Still as crime ridden as ever.

The death penalty is just murder, pure and simple.

Abduction, violent rape and murder of children for many might be considered an 'acceptable reason' to have the death penalty.