[Politics] The General Election Thread

[birthofanorange]

Someone has been trawling through Tory propaganda

Give him his due, there hasn't really been the carnage on the streets he was hoping for, so he has to fill his time somehow.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Yesterday Corbyn was in Bristol - his rally was was reported in the Guardian (regarded as a 'sympathetic' newspaper) as as less than two thousand, lacking energy with Corbyn looking tired and resigned to defeat.

Looks a lot bigger than that to me - and I think they may have got the characterisation of Corbyn wrong as well.

 

[Titanic]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really

That's a bit one sided... calling Boris a rascal

 

[GT49er]

So what you are telling us is that without any first hand knowledge of your own, you have taken the word of one employee who has lost his/her job over another - and it happens to fit in your 'world view' that it is 'nothing to do with Brexit'.... Really?

Are you really naïve enough to believe that nothing will ever be blamed on Brexit that actually has nothing to do with Brexit at all? 'Brexit' will become commonly used as an excuse for anything that goes wrong (if it hasn't been already) regardless of whether brexit is actually the reason. It'll be the 'goto' excuse for all manner of failure.

(That doesn't mean that some things won't be caused by Brexit - of course some outcomes will be due to Brexit. But not every outcome that will be cited as 'caused by Brexit'.)

 

[Deleted member 2719]

No, you were not being curious. You were being exactly as you always are. Go spill some more blood, and don't pretend you actually give a toss.

Even here, you have to bring Brexit into it. Pfft.

I didn't actually bring Brexit into it, the poster did.

I will try to be sincere to you then Orange boy.

Please don't hate me as I don't know what I will do.

You hating me will just about destroy us as a couple and that memory of the weekend in Torquay in your VW camper.
We absolutely wrecked your dampers that night.

Just give me one more chance pith boy, this could all end up as unrepairable segmentation and never to taste your sharp juices again.

 

[BenGarfield]

We’ll see. I’d happily wager money on Kyle getting re-elected on a large local vote, Labour getting heavily beaten nationwide and Corbyn clinging on like a twitching corpse. In fact I’ll probably shove a few quid on both before Thursday

How does a Green know what’s going on in Labour anyway? I thought you *didn’t* support Labour?

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I support many of the aspirations of the labour party which they share with the Greens as part of the progressive democratic left. I see the Bernie Sanders/AOC wing of the Democratic Party and the Greens in the USA as part of the same movement. Anti imperialist, anti-racist, democratic socialist, anti neo-liberal. The Blairite wing of the labour party seems almost indistinguisable to me from the corporate democrats in thr USA, and many in the Lib Dem, and left of the Tory Party. They seem mainly self serving, corrupt, and work hand-in -glove with the military industrial complex and big finance.

 

[birthofanorange]

I didn't actually bring Brexit into it, the poster did.

I will try to be sincere to you then Orange boy.

Please don't hate me as I don't know what I will do.

You hating me will just about destroy us as a couple and that memory of the weekend in Torquay in your VW camper.
We absolutely wrecked your dampers that night.

Just give me one more chance pith boy, this could all end up as unrepairable segmentation and never to taste your sharp juices again.

Good grief, you need help.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

I support many of the aspirations of the labour party which they share with the Greens as part of the progressive democratic left. I see the Bernie Sanders/AOC wing of the Democratic Party and the Greens in the USA as part of the same movement. Anti imperialist, anti-racist, democratic socialist, anti neo-liberal. The Blairite wing of the labour party seems almost indistinguisable to me from the corporate democrats in thr USA, and many in the Lib Dem, and left of the Tory Party. They seem mainly self serving, corrupt, and work hand-in -glove with the military industrial complex and big finance.

I agree with you - except for the Greens - when push comes to shove they will implement Tory policies - just like they did as part of a coalition government in Ireland in 2007-11 (and in many other parts of Europe) - and in Ireland they are now promising to go back into coalition again if they get enough seats, to implement more of the same.

 

[Chicken Run]

I am a socialist and an internationalist - I have far more in common with working class people in Brighton and the rest of Britain than I do with Irish Tories - I campaigned and fund-raised for the miners strike in the 1980s - I took part in anti-poll tax marches - and as late as this summer I was assisting socialists in Britain fighting for socialist policies against the onslaught by the Tories against working class people in Britain.

Do you distribute the Socialist Worker ?

 

[Chicken Run]

So more people voted for Kyle than the ex-copper in 2015. Then even more people voted for Kyle in 2017 instead of the bible bashing Tory nutter. Oh how bad is democracy !!!!!!! Kyle gets elected because he's good for his constituency. And that comes from someone that has voted right wing more times than left wing. I just wish he was standing as an Independent. The fact that the left wing morons of Momentum don't like him makes me wonder if they actually have the best interests of Hove and Portslade at heart ..... I suggest they don't.

Correct. If he was an independent I’d vote for him.

 

[Chicken Run]

-the recently departed manager of Brighton is Irish



I don't read the morning star - I talk to socialists who live in Brighton - and Kyle has hardly hidden his anti-Corbyn views or his pro-EU neo-liberal views. While he might be a decent guy on a personal level, his political actions are those of someone who is interested in building a lucrative political career on the pro-big business pro-EU imperialist wing of British politics.

He’s also English and Ghanaian ,

And your description of Kyle is why he’s electable!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So what you are telling us is that without any first hand knowledge of your own, you have taken the word of one employee who has lost his/her job over another - and it happens to fit in your 'world view' that it is 'nothing to do with Brexit'.... Really? Well, see you later, hopefully after you have recognised how silly and partial your comments are.......

He thinks he knows which company it is, but more than one company in this town has been making people redundant.

 

[Hastings gull]

I am a socialist and an internationalist - I have far more in common with working class people in Brighton and the rest of Britain than I do with Irish Tories - I campaigned and fund-raised for the miners strike in the 1980s - I took part in anti-poll tax marches - and as late as this summer I was assisting socialists in Britain fighting for socialist policies against the onslaught by the Tories against working class people in Britain.

Well, Workington Man wouldn't seem to think so.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

He thinks he knows which company it is, but more than one company in this town has been making people redundant.

If it's the right one, they manufacture cash tills.

 

[BenGarfield]

I agree with you - except for the Greens - when push comes to shove they will implement Tory policies - just like they did as part of a coalition government in Ireland in 2007-11 (and in many other parts of Europe) - and in Ireland they are now promising to go back into coalition again if they get enough seats, to implement more of the same.

I didnt know that about their allegiences in Ireland. The Green detailed policies seem really good. If they joined the Tories here they of course lose my vote. I suppose things can get a bit muddier with the need for coalitions under PR.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I am a socialist and an internationalist - I have far more in common with working class people in Brighton and the rest of Britain than I do with Irish Tories - I campaigned and fund-raised for the miners strike in the 1980s - I took part in anti-poll tax marches - and as late as this summer I was assisting socialists in Britain fighting for socialist policies against the onslaught by the Tories against working class people in Britain.

You sound like a 19th Century missionary talking about Africa.


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[Lever]

Are you really naïve enough to believe that nothing will ever be blamed on Brexit that actually has nothing to do with Brexit at all? 'Brexit' will become commonly used as an excuse for anything that goes wrong (if it hasn't been already) regardless of whether brexit is actually the reason. It'll be the 'goto' excuse for all manner of failure.

(That doesn't mean that some things won't be caused by Brexit - of course some outcomes will be due to Brexit. But not every outcome that will be cited as 'caused by Brexit'.)

You seem to be stuck in your own verbosity and your powers of interpretation are clouded by your rabid, Brexit-supporting perspective.
Have another go at reading what I wrote and come back to me if you need more help in comprehending it.....

 

[drew]

Very well, you're right, I apologise.

However the obsession over one incorrect detail and ignoring the very obvious and indisputable fact that food bank usage has soared in the last nine and a half years simply serves to get them off the hook.

Fair play for apologizing but the point I was making is that by stating a quite misleading incorrect detail it plays into the hands of the Tories who are lying hand over fist. Basically, don't let our side sink to their levels. Quoting the actual rise in use of food banks will still hammer home the point.

 

[BenGarfield]

He’s also English and Ghanaian ,

And your description of Kyle is why he’s electable!

Maybe true, but not for the party he is supposedf to be representing.

 

[Weststander]

Currently 9/2 on Corbyn being the PM when the dust settles.

If you’re certain it will be a hung Commons come Friday, this is printing money, in huge sums.

(The other parties have all made it plain that they will not do any deal with the Tories).