[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Jolly Red Giant]

The arrogance of an Irishman speaking for the British working class is breathtaking

I am a socialist and an internationalist - I have far more in common with working class people in Brighton and the rest of Britain than I do with Irish Tories - I campaigned and fund-raised for the miners strike in the 1980s - I took part in anti-poll tax marches - and as late as this summer I was assisting socialists in Britain fighting for socialist policies against the onslaught by the Tories against working class people in Britain.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Feel free to detail these lies.

1. Corbyn is not anti-semitic and has fought anti-semitism his entire life
2. Corbyn is not friends with Hamas
3. Corbyn does not support terrorists.

would you like me to keep going ?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Kyle has spent four years since he was elected attacking Corbyn - the guy is one of the main spokespeople for Progress - the Blairite Billionaire funded pro-EU pro-neo-liberal. Kyle is more right-wing than the Tory he defeated and he got his increased majority in 2017 on the back of the swing in support of Corbyn during the election.

You don’t even live in England.

I’ve spoken to Peter. His family’s kids went to my kids’ school. My wife is a key holder at one of the venues he used for campaigning in 2015 and 17. You should read his recent Facebook posts before you post such bolllocks instead of logging on to the Morning Star in your lunch hour.


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[birthofanorange]

Believe it or not, I was being sincere, sometimes things never come across as well in type.

But I was curious why Brexit would lose these jobs.

Sorry to anyone they may be offended.

No, you were not being curious. You were being exactly as you always are. Go spill some more blood, and don't pretend you actually give a toss.

Even here, you have to bring Brexit into it. Pfft.

 

[BenGarfield]

It’s always someone else’s fault with Labour, the public don’t like Jezza/majority of the shadow cabinet and don’t want him as PM

If someone else was in charge they would be cruising this election.

Not true. Do you think that if someone like Chris Williamson had been elected the attacks would not have been as severe? Its not really about his personality. Corbyn is being attacked for his long held socialist, ant-racist anti-imperialist world view, shared by very many in the labour party membership. The bulk of the media, the right of his own party and the neo-con military industrial complex in the USA/UK cant tolerate the prospect of a British PM holding such a world view.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Kyle has spent four years since he was elected attacking Corbyn - the guy is one of the main spokespeople for Progress - the Blairite Billionaire funded pro-EU pro-neo-liberal. Kyle is more right-wing than the Tory he defeated and he got his increased majority in 2017 on the back of the swing in support of Corbyn during the election.

So more people voted for Kyle than the ex-copper in 2015. Then even more people voted for Kyle in 2017 instead of the bible bashing Tory nutter. Oh how bad is democracy !!!!!!! Kyle gets elected because he's good for his constituency. And that comes from someone that has voted right wing more times than left wing. I just wish he was standing as an Independent. The fact that the left wing morons of Momentum don't like him makes me wonder if they actually have the best interests of Hove and Portslade at heart ..... I suggest they don't.

 

[Guinness Boy]

So more people voted for Kyle than the ex-copper in 2015. Then even more people voted for Kyle in 2017 instead of the bible bashing Tory nutter. Oh how bad is democracy !!!!!!! Kyle gets elected because he's good for his constituency. And that comes from someone that has voted right wing more times than left wing. I just wish he was standing as an Independent. The fact that the left wing morons of Momentum don't like him makes me wonder if they actually have the best interests of Hove and Portslade at heart ..... I suggest they don't.

Spot on


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[GT49er]

would you like me to keep going ?

Do you really need to ask? Really?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

You don’t even live in England.

What has that got to do with anything - My wife's mother was English - my grandmother was English - hell the English stuck their noses into Irish business for 800 years - the recently departed manager of Brighton is Irish - the player that everyone is raving about as the next big thing is Irish - our two countries are completely intertwined - your comment is futile and irrelevant

I’ve spoken to Peter. His family’s kids went to my kids’ school. My wife is a key holder at one of the venues he used for campaigning in 2015 and 17. You should read his recent Facebook posts before you post such bolllocks instead of logging on to the Morning Star in your lunch hour.

I don't read the morning star - I talk to socialists who live in Brighton - and Kyle has hardly hidden his anti-Corbyn views or his pro-EU neo-liberal views. While he might be a decent guy on a personal level, his political actions are those of someone who is interested in building a lucrative political career on the pro-big business pro-EU imperialist wing of British politics.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Do you really need to ask? Really?

 

[beorhthelm]

Kyle has spent four years since he was elected attacking Corbyn - the guy is one of the main spokespeople for Progress - the Blairite Billionaire funded pro-EU pro-neo-liberal. Kyle is more right-wing than the Tory he defeated and he got his increased majority in 2017 on the back of the swing in support of Corbyn during the election.

maybe thats what the people of his metropolitan constituency want? being mostly land owning bourgeoisie.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

1. Corbyn is not anti-semitic and has fought anti-semitism his entire life
2. Corbyn is not friends with Hamas
3. Corbyn does not support terrorists.

would you like me to keep going ?

1. Yet is such an abject failure at dealing with the problem in the party HE is the leader of.
2. Wouldn't care if he was - I don't consider Hamas terrorists
3. Yet likes to have tea with the IRA when he had zero influence over what was going on and even went and spoke at an IRA members funeral. Not to mention his sympathy for the IRA members killed in the war. .

 

[GT49er]

No, you were not being curious. You were being exactly as you always are. Go spill some more blood, and don't pretend you actually give a toss.

Even here, you have to bring Brexit into it. Pfft.

Point of order! He was not the one who 'brought Brexit into it'. He was replying to a poster who stated that redundancies were being blamed on Brexit by the firm making the redundancies.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

So more people voted for Kyle than the ex-copper in 2015. Then even more people voted for Kyle in 2017 instead of the bible bashing Tory nutter. Oh how bad is democracy !!!!!!! Kyle gets elected because he's good for his constituency. And that comes from someone that has voted right wing more times than left wing. I just wish he was standing as an Independent. The fact that the left wing morons of Momentum don't like him makes me wonder if they actually have the best interests of Hove and Portslade at heart ..... I suggest they don't.

Kyle is interested in a lucrative (and wealth creating) political career - and if the right opportunity somewhere in the EU bureaucracy appears, you will see him desert the people in his constituency like a fart in the wind.

(and if he was standing as an independent he would lose - and he knows it - otherwise he would have bunged off with the rest of the chancers who jumped ship a few months ago).

 

[Guinness Boy]

What has that got to do with anything - My wife's mother was English - my grandmother was English - hell the English stuck their noses into Irish business for 800 years - the recently departed manager of Brighton is Irish - the player that everyone is raving about as the next big thing is Irish - our two countries are completely intertwined - your comment is futile and irrelevant



I don't read the morning star - I talk to socialists who live in Brighton - and Kyle has hardly hidden his anti-Corbyn views or his pro-EU neo-liberal views. While he might be a decent guy on a personal level, his political actions are those of someone who is interested in building a lucrative political career on the pro-big business pro-EU imperialist wing of British politics.

You choose to believe the half dozen rabble rousers who would have deselected Kyle and handed the seat to Robert Nemeth and you do so because you know and understand **** all about our town and community. It’s like me posting condescending nonsense about Galway because I once had a bottle of Hooker


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[Westdene Seagull]

Kyle is interested in a lucrative (and wealth creating) political career - and if the right opportunity somewhere in the EU bureaucracy appears, you will see him desert the people in his constituency like a fart in the wind.

(and if he was standing as an independent he would lose - and he knows it - otherwise he would have bunged off with the rest of the chancers who jumped ship a few months ago).

What was that about lying ? Typical Momentum. Thankfully the voters of Hove and Portslade are considerably more intelligent and considered than Momentum members and Irish terrorist lovers.

Out of interest, when was the last time you spoke to Kyle face to face ?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Not true. Do you think that if someone like Chris Williamson had been elected the attacks would not have been as severe? Its not really about his personality. Corbyn is being attacked for his long held socialist, ant-racist anti-imperialist world view, shared by very many in the labour party membership. The bulk of the media, the right of his own party and the neo-con military industrial complex in the USA/UK cant tolerate the prospect of a British PM holding such a world view.

Disagree, it’s both his policies and his personality (not just his on the labour front bench) if he was such a popular head in his party he would have been elected years ago, he’s not and has split the party and even if as you say is not anti Semitic the party he is the head of has a massive problem with it.

If the polls are anything to go by the UK is rejecting his policies as well, as they did in 2017.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

1. Yet is such an abject failure at dealing with the problem in the party HE is the leader of.

There is no anti-semitism problem in the LP - a handful of people making anti-semitic comments out of a party of over half a million members is not a 'problem' - it is hysteria whipped up by the Blairites, the Tories and the right-wing media.

In contrast we have Tory candidates making anti-semitic remarks - supporting nazi symbols and slogans - and it all is being conveniently ignored. Even Boris Johnson goes to Plymouth and celebrates a former MP who was virulently anti-semitic.

3. Yet likes to have tea with the IRA when he had zero influence over what was going on and even wnet and spoke at an IRA members funeral. Not to mention his sympathy for the IRS members killed in the war. .

Corbyn did what I did - spoke to Adams about abandoning terrorism - I don't agree with his position on the national question in Ireland - but it really is b*llocks to suggest he supported the IRA.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Kyle is interested in a lucrative (and wealth creating) political career - and if the right opportunity somewhere in the EU bureaucracy appears, you will see him desert the people in his constituency like a fart in the wind.

(and if he was standing as an independent he would lose - and he knows it - otherwise he would have bunged off with the rest of the chancers who jumped ship a few months ago).

Sums up labour at the moment, don’t drink the cool aid 100 percent you are out.

 

[birthofanorange]

Point of order! He was not the one who 'brought Brexit into it'. He was replying to a poster who stated that redundancies were being blamed on Brexit by the firm making the redundancies.

He brought it up into what could have been a simply sympathetic reply, but I'm not surprised you've leapt to his defence.