[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Lincoln Imp]

Maybe it’s just me but I fail to understand how anyone with an ounce of decency could vote for Corbyn in this election. He really is a nasty piece of work. Anyway I’ve said my piece.

Please don't play the 'decency' card. I have been a centre/sometimes centre right voter for all my adult life and have only once, more than 20 years ago, voted Labour. Obviously I don't know Jeremy Corbyn personally but he strikes me as weak rather than wicked and delusional rather than devilish.

I will not be voting for his party next week. I have to say though that I would rather do that than support the self-entitled, lying, cheating, devious and dishonest light entertainer who seems to have beguiled so many and now seems nailed on to damage the country I have loved so greatly.

And believe it or not, Live by the sea, as imperfect as I am, I do believe I have an ounce of decency in my bones. And there are millions more people who can say the same.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

So you accept you've lost the argument and are now resorting to puerile insults.

he always does, makes himself look like a little cry baby
regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What are Corbyn's top 3 lies this year? We can then review versus Boris and see who's the winner

to be fair he hasn't said a great deal apart from sit on the fence throwing out freebie hand outs which most people know aren't free ie a con man
regards
DF

 

[Lever]

to be fair he hasn't said a great deal apart from sit on the fence throwing out freebie hand outs which most people know aren't free ie a con man
regards
DF

.... meanwhile Johnson has shown himself to be an Olympic Standard Liar.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...eer-general-election-brexit-itv-a9225601.html

 

[BenGarfield]

So, in fact, you haven't proved how "it" - the current economic system - works at all. You posted an untested theory beloved of certain left wing figures likfe Bernie Sanders and a few economists.

Even basic research shows that MMT has been criticised as likely to generate hyperinflation (who'd think printing your own money would do that though? ) and would need central bank rates of zero maintained.

In other words, you are a left wing political shill posting a left wing economic theory that is totally unproven beyond papers and lecture theatres. So, in short, I agree with you. If you think untested theories and printing your own money are a good idea, vote Corbyn

Corbyn and McDonnell, as far as I know don`t ascribe to the MMT approach - I wish they did. MMT is just an analysis of how the system actually works now.. Its neither left nor right wing . Its policy implications could favour either. Some of its main proponents are financial traders who use it as a more successful way of predicting the market than the standard models. Did you actually look at the videos?

 

[Chicken Run]

Brexit vote shock. Not seen you post Heseltine and other Tory grandees urging voters to keep the Tories out.

Well you wouldn’t would you.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Corbyn and McDonnell, as far as I know don`t ascribe to the MMT approach - I wish they did. MMT is just an analysis of how the system actually works now.. Its neither left nor right wing . Its policy implications could favour either. Some of its main proponents are financial traders who use it as a more successful way of predicting the market than the standard models. Did you actually look at the videos?

It’s not “how the system works now”. It’s a small group’s interpretation of it. It’s post-Keynesian. The UK is far more monetarist


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[KZNSeagull]

No I wouldnt touch momentum with a barge pole. I dont even vote labour, although I support some of their policies. Momentums stance on anti-semitism is particulaly poor. Their leader, Lansman is a supporter of zionism. Their green agenda does not go far enough and McDonnell is not a fan of MMT as his scared of the reaction of the city if he proposes spending anything above his own fiscal rules. A mistake in my view. Its amazing how far the overton window has swung to the right since Thatcher. Im probably no more left wing than Harold MacMillan or Harold Wilson historically.

Yes he is - Magic Money Tree.

I'm here all night.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

The post of a tosser and a simpleton.

Another quality insult, this has been my point for so long, you guys seem to point the finger of stupidity at everyone.

I wonder why that is

You may have to ponder for a while......................... have you got it yet?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Ok, I’ll give you the highlights. Corbyn has promised lots of free stuff. Understandably, people want to know how he’ll pay for it. [MENTION=38012]BenGarfield[/MENTION] a Corbyn cheerleader suggested MMT. I think it will probably be taxes and debt though. But, you’d have to wonder why a Momentum supporter is suggesting MMT if it’s *not* the policy.

Corbyn isn't promising 'free stuff' - he is proposing a redress in the hatchet job of austerity on public and welfare services implemented by the ConDems and then the Tories over the past 10+ years - he is proposing to pay for it by increased taxation on the richest 5% of the population - a section of society who have seen their wealth increase dramatically through the recession - and their increased taxation will not, in many cases, even bring them up to the European average. The LP manifesto, while more focused on public and welfare services, isn't even that radical and is very far from what the LP implemented after WW2.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Brexit vote shock. Not seen you post Heseltine and other Tory grandees urging voters to keep the Tories out.

Come on Boldy, you know why Heseltine won't back Boris.

Boris has outclassed him on the hair front.

Envy is a terrible thing.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

WARNING: the above is fake news and lies. Corbyn has never once promissed free stuff. This is just mindwashing by the right-wing media. Don't be an idiot and become fooled by it.

**Warning** Fake news Corbyn said the NHS is on the table.


THE NHS IS NOT FOR SALE.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

**Warning** Fake news Corbyn said the NHS is on the table.


THE NHS IS NOT FOR SALE.

That's like saying the car isn't for sale, but the spare tyre, the wing mirrors, and the boot light are already gone. The indicators, heater, and speedo are already up for auction to Virgin Health care, and other parts are being costed up.

 

[beorhthelm]

WARNING: the above is fake news and lies. Corbyn has never once promissed free stuff. This is just mindwashing by the right-wing media. Don't be an idiot and become fooled by it.

apart from the free broadband. and free rail travel for under 16s, bus travel for under 25s. and university and other life long learning, prescriptions. laudable policies you'll agree. .

 

[beorhthelm]

Corbyn and McDonnell, as far as I know don`t ascribe to the MMT approach - I wish they did. MMT is just an analysis of how the system actually works now.. Its neither left nor right wing . Its policy implications could favour either. Some of its main proponents are financial traders who use it as a more successful way of predicting the market than the standard models. Did you actually look at the videos?

the idea is inherently left wing, giving government unlimited funds for fiscal policy and removing monetary policy.

 

[theonlymikey]

apart from the free broadband. and free rail travel for under 16s, bus travel for under 25s. and university and other life long learning, prescriptions. laudable policies you'll agree. .

IT IS NOT FREE. These are rewards for PAYING YOUR TAXES.

I'm sorry the nasty party have convinced you you don't deserve good public services in return for you taxes, I really am.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

the idea is inherently left wing, giving government unlimited funds for fiscal policy and removing monetary policy.

I think you need to go back and have a look at the political and economic nature of socialism - and then have a look at all the different economic approaches implemented by capitalism (all of which have ultimately hit the brick wall of contradictions inherent in the capitalist system).

 

[beorhthelm]

IT IS NOT FREE. These are rewards for PAYING YOUR TAXES.

I'm sorry the nasty party have convinced you you don't deserve good public services in return for you taxes, I really am.

an odd argument, not sure what to say. yes i do, the offer is still free stuff regardless of the justification or virtue.

you're right of course, we will all pay for it eventually through our taxes.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Just watched Jo Swinson being interviewed by Andrew Neal, and although no fan (understatement of the year) thought she came across well. Best performance I have seen from her.

How much of a lazy, unprepared, lying, piss poor performer do you have to be to run away from that

 

[BenGarfield]

the idea is inherently left wing, giving government unlimited funds for fiscal policy and removing monetary policy.

MMT doesnt propose "unlimited funds" for fiscal policy. A key componemt of it is the control of inflation but not necessarily soley by traditional neo-con methods such as controlling the money supply or interest rates. I could elaborate but would risk boring the pants off everyone if I havent already.