[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Captain Sensible]

What is a level of sustainable borrowing?

All debit is sustainable while you can pay it. The question is, what sacrifices do you have to make to continue paying the debt?
Surely the aim of a successful nation and economy is to stay as far away from unsustainable debt as possible.

 

[Happy Exile]

It all shows what a slightly stupid country we are. Norway created a sovereign wealth fund from the money they get from North Sea oil and can fund public services and pensions for generations to come. We used the money we got to fund tax cuts to help win elections and have nothing to show for it.

 

[Guinness Boy]

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This is the sort of right-wing carp that needs stamping out of here [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] care to do anything about that link?

This is neither the time, nor the plaice for fish puns.


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[Guinness Boy]

Seriously though Plooks, The National Review has been going since 1955 and represents conservative Americans. I’ll leave NSC to judge what to think of someone who wants to ban writing they don’t agree with.


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[CHAPPERS]

It all shows what a slightly stupid country we are. Norway created a sovereign wealth fund from the money they get from North Sea oil and can fund public services and pensions for generations to come. We used the money we got to fund tax cuts to help win elections and have nothing to show for it.

Yeah the Tories don't like to talk about that.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

It all shows what a slightly stupid country we are. Norway created a sovereign wealth fund from the money they get from North Sea oil and can fund public services and pensions for generations to come. We used the money we got to fund tax cuts to help win elections and have nothing to show for it.

Not to mention the money raised from privatisation (selling off the family silver) to fund tax cuts for the rich.

Sometimes it helps to frame the Tory party as the provisional wing of the Ruling Class.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Is JC a Tory plant?

That is the only way to explain why he is so bad.

 

[dazzer6666]

The above is #fakenews. Please watch it yourself and do not listen to the biased lies of people with an obvious agenda.

So you don't appear to have watched it yourself

That is not what I asked about though. You are waffling on about specific cases. I am asking you all to back up the claim labour can not afford it. When asked that you are say if some person erans this they pay that. What? That makes no sense.

The clip provides the backup

No. I have asked ONE question: can you back up and show your working to your claim that labour can not afford their pledges? That is all. So far you have not even attempted to apart from distract and ramble about specific tax examples.

The clip provides the backup

What should this cost of borrowing be?

You've now changed the subject to the cost the borrowing

Some things, like the failings and destruction left behind by previous generations should be fixed no matter the cost. That is our moral obligation. Like sorting out the climate ****up and cancelling student debt and bringing about equality.
The question of how we fund these is irrelevant, it is the right thing to do and if we need to be all taxed a bit more to pay for our past mistakes than so be it. We must refuse to be a generation who do not kick problems down the road for a quick gain now like has been done in the past!

You've now ignored the back-up, moved away from the cost of the borrowing and moved on to 'we've just got to do it because it's a moral obligation'

Does it matter if its taxes or borrowing? As long as it is sustainable borrowing anyway.

We're back to how it's funded again......and you haven't even started to explain how it would be sustainable (neither has Corbyn to be fair)

Unfortunately the failings of previois generations and governments may very soon, if not now, left us with two choices: massive debt or massive environmental catastrophe.

....and now we're on to an environmental catastrophe

 

[Bold Seagull]

Go to the BBC website and watch Corbyn explain how he is going to fund the WASPI pension pledge.

He simply doesn’t know.

Bit of an own goal I feel. You're 2-0 down and you had perhaps over the last week sneaked a goal back and made it 2-1 against the run of play. Only to stick the ball in your own net for 3-1.

Stay on message. Stay on the manifesto and the costings. Strict adherence what you have set out. Don't get diverted. Don't feel you need to chuck anything further out there. If the WASPI pension issue was that important it would have been in the manifesto. If it was forgotten, leave it forgotten until you're in power and you want to set a budget, or wait until the next election. Disappointing.

 

[BensGrandad]

Will Corbyns disastrous interview with Andrew Neill last night cost him votes. On GMB one of his side kicks Jonathan Ashworth tried to stand up for him but was just as bad at answering the question put to him by Piers Morgan and Susanna Reid.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

The above is #fakenews. Please watch it yourself and do not listen to the biased lies of people with an obvious agenda.

I watched it.

It was a disaster for Corbyn. A complete shambles

He failed to answer any of the questions raised, just wanted to spout his own, pre prepared soundbites

Andrew Neil will rip Johnson a new one tonight too.

 

[dazzer6666]

Bit of an own goal I feel. You're 2-0 down and you had perhaps over the last week sneaked a goal back and made it 2-1 against the run of play. Only to stick the ball in your own net for 3-1.

Stay on message. Stay on the manifesto and the costings. Strict adherence what you have set out. Don't get diverted. Don't feel you need to chuck anything further out there. If the WASPI pension issue was that important it would have been in the manifesto. If it was forgotten, leave it forgotten until you're in power and you want to set a budget, or wait until the next election. Disappointing.

Agreed........he's not playing this game very well tactically at all. The oppo has weaknesses all over the pitch, but he's missing all the tap-ins. His advisers should be taking a long hard look at themselves

 

[Silverhatch]

WHAT A MESS.

Newsnight last night from Belfast. Unbelievably, all of the political parties agreed that they had to stop Johnson's deal i.e. DUP agreeing with Sinn Fein.

North of the Border. SNP launch their manifesto with Stop Johnson and reverse Brexit.

Irrespective of how we got here, there is an amazing contradiction facing the Conservative & Unionist Party - Leave Europe at all costs and then break up the United Kingdom. Mad isn't it.

 

[Weststander]

Will Corbyns disastrous interview with Andrew Neill last night cost him votes. On GMB one of his side kicks Jonathan Ashworth tried to stand up for him but was just as bad at answering the question put to him by Piers Morgan and Susanna Reid.

As did Richard ‘Car Crash’ Burgon on Sky News this morning. They just can’t say sorry for anti semitism by some officials and members. Their colleague Nia Griffith showed what humility looks like.

 

[CHAPPERS]

As did Richard ‘Car Crash’ Burgon on Sky News this morning. They just can’t say sorry for anti semitism by some officials and members. Their colleague Nia Griffith showed what humility looks like.

It will be interesting to see if Andrew Neil goes at Johnson as hard about the issues within the Conservative Party as he did with Corbyn.

 

[Live by the sea]

If you want to be informed by someone who has seen both sides , you could do a lot worse than reading @MaajidNawaz on Twitter.

 

[Weststander]

WHAT A MESS.

Newsnight last night from Belfast. Unbelievably, all of the political parties agreed that they had to stop Johnson's deal i.e. DUP agreeing with Sinn Fein.

North of the Border. SNP launch their manifesto with Stop Johnson and reverse Brexit.

Irrespective of how we got here, there is an amazing contradiction facing the Conservative & Unionist Party - Leave Europe at all costs and then break up the United Kingdom. Mad isn't it.

Aren’t Scotland edging very close to leaving the UK anyway? Long before Brexit. A small party 25 years ago, they almost achieved independence 4 years ago, the upward curve in their vote unstoppable.

 

[Bozza]

Bit of an own goal I feel. You're 2-0 down and you had perhaps over the last week sneaked a goal back and made it 2-1 against the run of play. Only to stick the ball in your own net for 3-1.

Stay on message. Stay on the manifesto and the costings. Strict adherence what you have set out. Don't get diverted. Don't feel you need to chuck anything further out there. If the WASPI pension issue was that important it would have been in the manifesto. If it was forgotten, leave it forgotten until you're in power and you want to set a budget, or wait until the next election. Disappointing.

I'm going to let the owner of this account know it's been hacked and used to post something that is vaguely negative about the Labour Party.

 

[Weststander]

It will be interesting to see if Andrew Neil goes at Johnson as hard about the issues within the Conservative Party as he did with Corbyn.

He will.

Islamophobia, lies, Brexit, non existent trade deals, the Russia report.

Despite what NSC lefties have said about Andrew Neil in the past, he’s a craftsman in dissecting them all.

The Swinson interview could be cringeworthy too. Unless he feels sorry for the wounded Gazelle?

 

[Bozza]

It will be interesting to see if Andrew Neil goes at Johnson as hard about the issues within the Conservative Party as he did with Corbyn.

He'll tear him to pieces.