[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Weststander]

thing is the grey book even notes "behaviour changes", acknowledging that taxes will result in the income/asset base being taxed moving. yet Corbyn and the left will say it wont. and that impacts on the other tax revenue streams, not accounted for.

All proposed tax legislation includes a quantified reduction, usually huge, for the behavioural effect on taxpayers of a new or increased tax. Apolitical. The IFS do this too to an extent, within the limited time span available to them.

The disparity is in the £billions were tax. Whether it be a Tory or Labour tax.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Andrew Neil in the process of systematically taking Jezza to bits on BBC1.

Well, that was totes awks, as my daughter would say.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Well, that was a complete embarrassment for the Labour Party. To beat Boris Johnson all they had to do was elect a vaguely competent leader and come up with some policies that don’t originate in the student union. Unfortunately they haven’t.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Back to the anti Semitism thread.....

From the BBC news site:

In an interview with Andrew Neil, to be broadcast at 19:00 GMT on BBC One, Mr Corbyn is asked four times whether he was going to apologise to the British Jewish community following the chief rabbi's claim that Labour was not doing enough to root out anti-Jewish racism.

Is Corbyn wrong not to apologise or does he have a choice? It struck me the other day when Johnson was similarly outed for not apologising about something or other (sorry, cant remember what the issue was now). We ('the people', 'the media', 'the electorate') demand apologies from politicians but then will go on to condemn them for giving them. Maybe they cant win? We go on to vilify all politicians, but do we simply get the politicians we deserve?

People don't want or really need apologies do they? They want action. Whether JC and the Labour Party are anti-semitic is not the point, they have failed to show that they have dealt with it. JC has just failed again to give any real answers and showed that he does not have a grip on the issue which is rather surprising considering what happened this morning. Just another example of very poor leadership.

He was ripped apart in that interview. The Swinson and Johnson ones should be fun!

 

[Weststander]

they are chasing pensioners and investors, not only those earning over £80k, if Corbyn things that he doesnt understand his own manifesto. thing is the grey book even notes "behaviour changes", acknowledging that taxes will result in the income/asset base being taxed moving. yet Corbyn and the left will say it wont. and that impacts on the other tax revenue streams, not accounted for.

2 million UK families/individuals run a small limited company. They’re in the tax firing line big time, with the array of new tax rates and scraping of allowances, plus the increase in small companies rate CT.

 

[Ernest]

I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn (ask [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION]) but I thought he handled Andrew Neil's questions or should be interruptions very well. If Neil hadn't tried to get in too many 'gotcha' moments instead of actually asking questions and listening to the answers it might have been better

 

[shingle]

Corbyn utterly dismantled.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Thank f**k someone’s finally asking questions about taxation, with real knowledge.

The Scandinavians fund their welfare system from everyone. The Labour manifesto purports to do the same by just taxing those over £80k and companies more. The sums don’t add up. Hence the in the small print attack on anyone who owns shares, or runs a tiny limited company.

Scandinavian taxes are extremely high, for us to do that taxes would have to go up, Tories are a tax cutting party and Labour get the money from the rich and corporations.
For us to copy Scandinavian countries would be a huge shock to everybody.
I have been to Scandinavia many times mainly Sweden and as far as I can make out they don't mind too much because their standard of living is very high. I loved Sweden and the Swedish.
I know we have posters who actually live there and I am more than happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
Not sure our drinking culture country would be too happy with a huge hike in alcohol taxes either.
The price of a beer is eye watering and their off licenses only open for a few hours a day.
Unless it's all changed since I was last there.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Good grief! I answered this succinctly and clearly (in my opinion at least!). Anti Semitism is a very, very serious problem within the labour party - an arguable fact unless you are either politically blind or an anti semite yourself (and not suggesting you are). The front bench are the leadership and have failed to tackle this issue and at times have inflamed it. Plenty of other posters have given examples of this including Corbyn's defence of a 'cartoon' typical of those published by the Nazis . They could have acted on anti Semitism but have chosen not to and continue to deny reality. I (and maybe others wont) conclude this implies a front bench full of anti semites.

I too am not expressing a party political opinion, just a deep hatred of anti Semitism and all those that condone it, whether through action or inaction.

Nice speech on the evils of anti-semitism, none of which I disagree with.

However, back to the point of my post, You can't show any evidence of any Labour front bencher saying or doing anything anti-semitic to back up your claim that 'the Labour front bench is full of anti-semites'

Plenty of other posters have given examples, it's just that you don't seem to be able to find any to quote

And here is 'Corbyn's defence of a 'cartoon' typical of those published by the Nazis'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5885339/jeremy-corbyn-fury-anti-semitic-art/amp/

“In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man At The Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

“That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

“I wholeheartedly support its removal. I am opposed to the production of anti-Semitic material of any kind, and the defence of free speech cannot be used as a justification for the promotion of anti-Semitism. That is a view I’ve always held.”

Well it's obvious from that he's completely anti-semitic

 

[Is it PotG?]

I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn (ask [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION]) but I thought he handled Andrew Neil's questions or should be interruptions very well. If Neil hadn't tried to get in too many 'gotcha' moments instead of actually asking questions and listening to the answers it might have been better

Indeed. Jezza lauches into a manifesto sale each time he's asked about the magic money forest.

AN Where is the £££ coming from?

JC We need this, we need that

AN How will you pay?

JC We need equality.

AN How will you pay?

CLOWN.

 

[Weststander]

Neil will similarly take apart Johnson and Swinson. Expect Islamophobia, lies to headline.

This is 10x better that party member zealots asking smug rhetorical questions on ’a debate’, with a hopeless host unable to steward it all.

Neil, Paxman, Humphrys - all class acts.

 

[Captain Sensible]

As someone that has voted for all major parties in the past, I am looking for someone better than Johnson to get us out of this mess. Unfortunately Corbyn has been shown up for being utterly clueless with fantasy policies. That just, “gulp” leaves me with Boris!

 

[dazzer6666]

Blimey, Corbyn was utterly skewered there (not unlike Sturgeon was) - disaster for him on tax, ISIS and anti-Semitism, but Boris must be absolutely shitting himself. Neill will ruin him.

 

[Weststander]

Scandinavian taxes are extremely high, for us to do that taxes would have to go up, Tories are a tax cutting party and Labour get the money from the rich and corporations.
For us to copy Scandinavian countries would be a huge shock to everybody.
I have been to Scandinavia many times mainly Sweden and as far as I can make out they don't mind too much because their standard of living is very high. I loved Sweden and the Swedish.
I know we have posters who actually live there and I am more than happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
Not sure our drinking culture country would be too happy with a huge hike in alcohol taxes either.
The price of a beer is eye watering and their off licenses only open for a few hours a day.
Unless it's all changed since I was last there.

I too have spent loads of time in Sweden, close mates live there. Yep, still incredibly expensive.

Apparently, the bottom line is that Swedes, Danes and Finns trust their governments to spend their high taxes wisely. Not so in the UK where there’s always been mistrust in politicians.

We could all shirley pay more in income tax on a not immodest rate increase?

 

[Bodian]

Blimey, Corbyn was utterly skewered there (not unlike Sturgeon was) - disaster for him on tax, ISIS and anti-Semitism, but Boris must be absolutely shitting himself. Neill will ruin him.

No - he'll just answer every question with 'Get Brexit Done', and suddenly time will run out....

 

[Ernest]

Neil will similarly take apart Johnson and Swinson. Expect Islamophobia, lies to headline.

This is 10x better that party member zealots asking smug rhetorical questions on ’a debate’, with a hopeless host unable to steward it all.

Neil, Paxman, Humphrys - all class acts.

All well past their sell by dates now

 

[Captain Sensible]

Blimey, Corbyn was utterly skewered there (not unlike Sturgeon was) - disaster for him on tax, ISIS and anti-Semitism, but Boris must be absolutely shitting himself. Neill will ruin him.

Yes it’s great to see them get a proper grilling. Those tv debates feel lame and set up. I’m sure Swinson is an open goal for Neill, as her policy in ignoring half the nation has completely fallen flat on its face. Boris will get accused of double standards, lying and not doing much to tackle enormous social problems. The thing about Boris is at least he can show that fiscally (if that’s a word), we shouldn’t go to ruin under him (unless he totally mucks up Brexit of course). The thing is if Labour had a sound financial plan I could live with, I’d be voting for them. I like a lot of policies and appreciate a second referendum. However, Corbyn can’t show how any of his policies will work or get paid for. Imagine borrowing 83bn nationalising everything and then finding that it’s not quite working how you’d imagined. 20bn, maybe you can ride it, but the numbers he is talking about are immense. The world is always a few deals away from another crash and to lumber yourself with that amount of debt is irresponsible.
I also think Corbyn has got the tax wrong, Neill killed him on it.

 

[Weststander]

Yes it’s great to see them get a proper grilling. Those tv debates feel lame and set up. I’m sure Swinson is an open goal for Neill, as her policy in ignoring half the nation has completely fallen flat on its face. Boris will get accused of double standards, lying and not doing much to tackle enormous social problems. The thing about Boris is at least he can show that fiscally (if that’s a word), we shouldn’t go to ruin under him (unless he totally mucks you Brexit of course). The thing is if Labour had a sound financial plan I could live with, I’d be voting for them. I like a lot of policies and appreciate a second referendum. However, Corbyn can’t show how any of his policies will work or get paid for. Imagine borrowing 83bn nationalising everything and then finding that it’s not quite working how you’d imagined. 20bn, maybe you can ride it, but the numbers he is talking about are immense. The world is always a few deals away from another crash and to lumber yourself with that amount of debt is irresponsible.
I also thing Corbyn has got the tax wrong, Neill killed him on it.

Similar to me. Corbyn’s plan to tax certain sections of society (but millions more people than the audacious lie of just 5%), very heavily, won’t raise the revenue to meet the incredible shopping list. Johnson’s blinkered anti-EU stance, if he does what he says, will hit our economy in at least the short to medium term very hard. Anti-semitism and Islamophobia is not coming from a tiny handful of people erroneously making “tropes” who just need to re-educated, far from it, evil tossers have found a home in the major parties.

 

[BenGarfield]

People don't want or really need apologies do they? They want action. Whether JC and the Labour Party are anti-semitic is not the point, they have failed to show that they have dealt with it. JC has just failed again to give any real answers and showed that he does not have a grip on the issue which is rather surprising considering what happened this morning. Just another example of very poor leadership.

He was ripped apart in that interview. The Swinson and Johnson ones should be fun!

Corbyn`s weakness is that he has beeb far too apologetic in the past. He had no reason to apologise to any jewish people - im glad he didnt for once - except to those Jewish anti zionists, such as Jackie Walker and Tony Greenstein who were thrown out by the kangaroo courts of the blairite labour party disciplinary system.. How are they supposed to "deal" with something of which they are not guilty?

 

[BenGarfield]

Disgusting clowns

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I completely agree with her. Can you explain why you find her remarks disgusting?