[Politics] The General Election Thread

[A1X]

I wish all terrible politicians were exposed to this level of scrutiny and questioning. Maybe then we wouldn't be in this mess.

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[The Clamp]

You do realise that if Labour do not win the election that they have lost by the agreed rules? That makes them losers. But you don’t like it? Aww......diddums.........

What on Earth are you talking about? Yes, I understand it’s within the rules. How did you read that I didn’t understand that?

My point is that there are lots of thick Brexit voters who will disregard all the Tory failings in order to try and keep them in power for a chance of a no deal.

By voting. By the rules. I never mentioned anything else.

You’ve made yourself look a bit silly there. Aw, didums? Daft ****.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I wish all terrible politicians were exposed to this level of scrutiny and questioning. Maybe then we wouldn't be in this mess.

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James Cleverley - savaged by Piers Morgan over the Keir Starmer Fake News video, empty-chaired by Kay Burleigh over his no-show and now lambasted by Emily Maitlis over the 'FactCheck' Twitter fiasco.

Maitlis can do no wrong after he Prince Andrew interview and makes Cleverley look like the idiot he is. Utter shambles.

 

[Surrey Phil]

I agree. People are asking him to take a position on a deal he hasn't even started negotiating. How could anyone do that? It is quite ludicrous and the kerfuffle about it underscores the fact that the Tories and their media friends support Brexit in the way I support the Albion - it's just a game, you support your team irrespective of what's being place in front of you. And as an optional extra you really really hate the other side.

It's a bit more important than that.

That's very blinkered. Politics to one side, how can someone negotiate the best deal, if they are potentially against it and would therefore ultimately like to have something the public would reject?

 

[Bold Seagull]

That's very blinkered. Politics to one side, how can someone negotiate the best deal, if they are potentially against it and would therefore ultimately like to have something the public would reject?

Maybe ask Theresa May, she campaigned as hard as anyone to remain, then negotiated a fantastic deal and Brexit was the best thing ever. Allegedly. Boris campaigned for leave, and got a deal equally not as good, if not worse.

If you're putting a 2 choice decision into the hands of the public, it is in your best interest to ensure that each outcome is as good as can be given you don't have control over that outcome.

The Tories aren't interested in the best outcome, they are only interested in achieving 'their' Brexit. Labour will have to ensure a deal is as good as they can get because we already know 52% what out of the EU. One thing you cannot accuse Corbyn of is being a passionate remainer.

 

[Granny on the wing]

Maybe ask Theresa May, she campaigned as hard as anyone to remain, then negotiated a fantastic deal and Brexit was the best thing ever. Allegedly. Boris campaigned for leave, and got a deal equally not as good, if not worse.

If you're putting a 2 choice decision into the hands of the public, it is in your best interest to ensure that each outcome is as good as can be given you don't have control over that outcome.

The Tories aren't interested in the best outcome, they are only interested in achieving 'their' Brexit. Labour will have to ensure a deal is as good as they can get because we already know 52% what out of the EU. One thing you cannot accuse Corbyn of is being a passionate remainer.

There is some that say Corbyn just thinks the EU is another bunch of capitalists.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

That's very blinkered. Politics to one side, how can someone negotiate the best deal, if they are potentially against it and would therefore ultimately like to have something the public would reject?

May I offer another analogy then?

My daughter has seen a car she likes in a local garage and asks me to look over it and see if I can work up a deal for her - a bit of cash off, a few extras, decent warranty. Usual thing.

I say I will do what I can but it's her money and obviously the final decision will be hers.

Just before we set off to the garage she asks me whether I will be recommending she buys the car or not.

I say I couldn't say until I've seen what deal I can sort out with the dealer.

She demands to know now. Right away. Before we leave the house.

Question: Am I being indecisive or is my daughter being daft?

 

[lawros left foot]

As per usual, You Gov weren't exactly totally forthcoming with the polling results from the debate.

The full tables from the YouGov poll last night on the ITV leaders’ debate are now available on its website here (pdf).

Laurence Janta-Lipinksi, a polling specialist, thinks the raw data reflect well on Jeremy Corbyn.

Laurence Janta-Lipinski
(@jantalipinski)
Looking through the full tables from the debate poll last night, pretty clear (once you ignore the headline finding) that Corbyn had the better debatehttps://t.co/rj6OTpeO2I

November 20, 2019
Laurence Janta-Lipinski
(@jantalipinski)
Nearly 6 in 10 ppl who are undecided gave it to Corbyn as well as those who weren’t sure who would win the debate. More also say Corbyn did well than Boris. Given the sample was politically representative, last night clearly better for Corbyn than Johnson whilst JC so far behind

November 20, 2019
Laurence Janta-Lipinski
(@jantalipinski)
Favourite number is the 48% it 2017 Conservative voters who thought Corbyn did well. Labour’s only hope (in my opinion) is that Corbyn’s ratings improve. The more time he spends opposite Johnson, the more likely that is

November 20, 2019

 

[Two Professors]

Like Trump, they’ve cottoned on to the fact that a huge percentage of the electorate are a bit thick and naive and will believe anything someone tells them if they have a posh voice or it comes from a Twitter account with a blue tick. Stuff like that will gain them far more votes than it will lose.

Perhaps we like comparing it to the Labour Party 'fact checker' [MENTION=37204]the[/MENTION]_InsiderUK.Or perhaps twatter is just for sad people,so don't bother.

 

[Grombleton]

Perhaps we like comparing it to the Labour Party 'fact checker' [MENTION=37204]the[/MENTION]_InsiderUK.Or perhaps twatter is just for sad people,so don't bother.

134 million active daily users on Twitter. Does that mean there are 134 millions twats in the world?

 

[Bold Seagull]

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Not surprised by that. Should be absolutely outraged at the bias that pervades our media.

 

[A1X]

Vote Conservative. Because the people who deserve to have money taken from them aren't millionaires but grieving parents.

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[Chicken Run]

2nd Tory candidate suspended this week for anti semitism , but it's only Labour who are anti semitic

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No, but at least the Conservatives are dealing with their bad apples.

 

[BBassic]

134 million active daily users on Twitter. Does that mean there are 134 millions twats in the world?

There's way more than 134 million twats in the world.

 

[Bold Seagull]

No, but at least the Conservatives are dealing with their bad apples.

Not according to Baroness Wasri they're not...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tory-peer-warns-of-racism-at-every-level-of-party-after-latest-dossier-of-racism/13/11/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/13/lady-warsi-hits-out-at-tory-failure-to-tackle-islamophobia

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/107956/tories-failing-tackle-islamophobia-their-ranks

 

[Chicken Run]

Not according to Baroness Wasri they're not...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tory-peer-warns-of-racism-at-every-level-of-party-after-latest-dossier-of-racism/13/11/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/13/lady-warsi-hits-out-at-tory-failure-to-tackle-islamophobia

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/107956/tories-failing-tackle-islamophobia-their-ranks

Shocking, thanks for reporting.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

That's very blinkered. Politics to one side, how can someone negotiate the best deal, if they are potentially against it and would therefore ultimately like to have something the public would reject?

Indeed ...

Labour is proposing to negotiate a new deal with the European Union. This deal would involve us adhering closely to the rules of the single market and being a member of the customs union. Labour would then put this to voters in a referendum, with the alternative being Remain.

When pressed on how they might vote in this referendum, it’s party policy not to give an answer. And hardly surprising because if they did answer it would reveal how pointless and hollow the choice really is.

Who on earth would choose this new deal? The Electoral Commission is charged by law with ensuring that any referendum question is framed in a way that makes it clear what is being asked. May I suggest to them that Labour’s referendum might be phrased like this:

“The government has decided that Britain is going to follow the rules and trade policy of the European Union. Would you prefer to do this with a vote on the EU’s policies or without one?”

Labour always bridles at the term second referendum and you know what, they’re right. This isn’t really a second referendum at all. It’s just a more faffy, dithery and deceitful form of the Liberal Democrat revoke policy.

They say they are going to negotiate the “best deal” and then put it to the people, but it’s only the “best deal” in the eyes of Remainers. And the rest of us wouldn’t vote for it anyway because it is so obviously not as good as remaining. Leavers will have been treated with contempt, their opinion sought but then discarded.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labours-brexit-policy-is-simply-dishonest-69q6fvzc6

Who would campaign for Labours 'best deal' in a second referendum? The Shadow Foreign Secretary, Brexit Secretary and Home Secretary all have said they would campaign for Remain, the vast majority of Labour MP's back Remain, the Labour membership is overwhelmingly remain, the Tories wouldn't back it, Farage/Brexit party wouldn't back it .... what sort of grade A **** would think that's an acceptable democratic choice? (rhetorical question obviously)

 

[theonlymikey]

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We all knew it.

 

[Mellotron]

No, but at least the Conservatives are dealing with their bad apples.

By making one of them leader of their party. Genius move.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not surprised by that. Should be absolutely outraged at the bias that pervades our media.

We all knew it.

YouGov is owned by a Tory.