[Politics] The General Election Thread

[theonlymikey]

Conservatives attack our human rights.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...boris-johnson-national-security-a9216146.html

 

[abc]

I do find this narrative that anyone who might vote Tory is ‘stupid’, ‘nasty’ etc, extraordinary. If you are one of those in that category and IF (as seems likely) the Tories get more votes than Labour, it simply means that more people disagreed with your opinion then agreed. I really find it hard to differentiate between the arrogance of the right (Mogg etc) and the left. Somehow the left think they occupy some moral high ground. Not convinced.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

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None of that contradicts what I said. Jezza's position on Brexit has been honestly unclear (if that's a phrase) from the get go. He has said conference will vote on the manifesto proposal and Clause V will ratify it because that's how the Labour Party works. And, he's said he'll be neutral if there is a confirmatory referendum, which is entirely the correct position. As for whipping his MPs against the government he was the official opposition leader FFS

I don't even know what your last sentence is supposed to mean. He no longer "shares a platform with them" and if you think that it's you that's lying. He has undeniably been involved with past leaders of it and so have the Tories. That's how the Good Friday Agreement works. And he's never denied meeting them publically for peace talks before the whole peace process gained traction. If there is evidence in the public domain it is very hard to lie about it. Whereas there is actual footage of Boris saying, back in the day, that he'd support remaining in the EU. Trump. meanwhile, has been caught lying literally thousands of times.

It is nobbery of the like to which you reply that has slowly, over the last several years, driven me into the arms of labour again, if only because they are the best party to oppose the Boris liars gang in my constituency.

I have never heard a single word from Corbyn in the last 5 years in support of the IRA.

On the other hand I have heard what Boris has said about all sorts of things.....

Look, I don't like Corbyn, but I'm not going to dislike him any more if I keep reading ludicrous memes that have been plucked, stuffed roasted and served up with a garnish of sour grapes and hard cheese by the minions of Breitbart and the rest of the alt.right. They can all **** right off.

I'm voting labour.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Look, I don't like Corbyn, but I'm not going to dislike him any more if I keep reading ludicrous memes that have been plucked, stuffed roasted and served up with a garnish of sour grapes and hard cheese by the minions of Breitbart and the rest of the alt.right. They can all **** right off.

I'm trying to think of a suitable medium for that to be shared with the wider public, for it deserves to be. Car sticker? Nah, just too long. Tattoo? Bit expensive. Song lyrics? It's poetic, for sure, but it doesn't quite scan.

I'll just have to settle for a massive THIS with nobs on.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Not a gloater, but a realist.
I do hope, however, that Labour lose, Corbyn and McDonnell are consigned to the history books, the Labour Party come to their senses, and once again become a centre left party that appeals to the more moderate left leaning citizens of this country and so becomes electable.

... whilst keeping some of their more popular policies like renationalising utilities, paying for social care, legislating for rent caps and so on.

 

[BLOCK F]

I'm trying to think of a suitable medium for that to be shared with the wider public, for it deserves to be. Car sticker? Nah, just too long. Tattoo? Bit expensive. Song lyrics? It's poetic, for sure, but it doesn't quite scan.

I'll just have to settle for a massive THIS with nobs on.

It could fit on the side of a Corbynista battle bus specially adapted to run on bullshit!

 

[theonlymikey]

Stolen from an FMTTM poster who stole it from Social Media:


Election rant:

I am a higher rate taxpayer. I’ve been a teacher for 10 years and am currently an Assistant Head in an inner-city school.

After Christmas every year, some of our students come back to school and have lost weight. Their parents are working but they aren’t being paid enough to make ends meet, and they can’t make up the difference in the holidays because their children aren’t getting free school meals for two weeks. Our students and their families live under the power of callous slum landlords who have taken over most of the poorest areas of our inner-cities - there are no council houses for them. These students come to school every single day. They work hard, are kind and ambitious, but poor. Very poor. We’re not just talking ‘working class’ poor; we’re talking Dickensian street urchin poor. And no, I’m not exaggerating.

I have seen a number of my friends posting impassioned complaints about Labour’s tax plans. They will be hit by a 50% tax on income above £80,000, and many of them feel that, considering what they already pay, this is unfair. Lots have gone further and said they resent, “giving more money to people who just don’t want to work”, and that people living in poverty are simply “lazy”. This is a very dangerous myth. We tell ourselves this fairytale that hard work and resilience alone will bring us everything we need. That might be true for people who find themselves in the right place at the right time like I did, or for those with a bit of a head start. It is not true for the vast majority of people living in poverty.

It’s impossible to save money when you only make just enough to survive.

It’s impossible to stay out of debt when you have no savings. One broken down car, one period of illness, one forced house move. One unforeseen emergency is enough to push someone into debt which they will struggle for years and years to pay off.

It’s impossible to defend a system where 34% of British children are living in poverty.

People are throwing around figures: the median income in this country is £24,897. For full time workers, this raises to £30,353. I’m not interested in the median, though - I’m interested in the difference between the TOP and the BOTTOM. The richest 5% of households in this country earn around £80,000, but this doesn’t take into account their other assets (property, savings, investments etc.) The bottom 5% of earners in this country make less than £10,000.

Labour are proposing to raise income tax for those earning over £80,000 per year - that would equate to an extra £21 per month for someone on £85,000. Some people would have you think this is unfair.

I’ll tell you what’s unfair - a society which cuts public services, schools, healthcare, transport and social care, and then demonises the poor for being unable to cope. If you live in your own home and have a comfortable income, your own car (or two) and can afford to go on holiday, it is possible that you haven’t even taken a moment to consider the reality for some:

Child A goes to school on the bus. It’s cold, leaking and less frequent than it used to be - public transport has been cut. They walk to the bus stop in broken shoes - they won’t ask mum for new ones until she gets paid at the end of the month, and even then, they will get cheap ones which will last a couple of months and need to be replaced again. They arrive at school, but school have had to cut the provision of free breakfasts (it was either that or the SEND teaching assistant). At lunchtime, they choose a sandwich for their free school meal, eat half of it, and keep the other half in their bag so that they can have something in the evening, too.

It’s not melodrama. It’s the truth. I see this reality every single day.

Please, if you are financially comfortable, don’t just think about yourself on 12th December - this election is not about you. You’ll be fine whatever happens. It’s about those quietened voices who exist outside of your world. You might not see them, but they exist. Your taxes will save lives.

 

[theonlymikey]

Tory MP candidate caught getting friend to pose as anti-Labour swing voter

A Conservative candidate has been caught getting one of his friends to pose as an anti-Labour swing voter, raising further questions about the party’s use of disinformation and fake news.

Lee Anderson, who is standing for the Tories in Ashfield in Nottinghamshire, forgot he was wearing a live microphone while he phoned his friend to set up the fake encounter to impress a journalist.

“Make out you know who I am... you know I’m the candidate, but not a friend, alright?” Mr Anderson was recorded saying as he spelled out instructions to his friend minutes before bringing a journalist to his door.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...son-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.html

 

[daveinplzen]

They cant help themselves.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oVvvRrD8AekFEpqf0oOGVgiQ19xoaaWRBakWDKpGSint4

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

They cant help themselves.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oVvvRrD8AekFEpqf0oOGVgiQ19xoaaWRBakWDKpGSint4

not long now dave and you'll be put out of your misery
regards
DF

 

[WATFORD zero]

I can't understand why the Johnson and co keep doing/saying these stupid things and get caught lying

Shirley the Conservatives would do better if they kept their mouths shut and let their record in power over the last 10 years speak for itself

Uniting the Country, Moving Britain forward on the world stage, Improving the NHS, Improving Education, Building more Housing, Reducing crime, Reducing Poverty, Reducing debt etc

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

not long now dave and you'll be put out of your misery
regards
DF

Hang on. You'll be living in a tent in a field, woken up at 6am and made to pick fruit and/or veg. Otherwise you will get the cat o' nine tails.

Actually, I might vote cvntservative.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Hang on. You'll be living in a tent in a field, woken up at 6am a made to pick fruit and/or veg. Otherwise you will get the cat o' nine tails.

Actually, I might vote cvntservative.

even a die hard like you must be starting to wake up
regards
DF

 

[daveinplzen]

not long now dave and you'll be put out of your misery
regards
DF

Oh yeah? You got a date then?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Crispin Blunt - is that rhyming slang?

What was the local split of the Euro election?

Gina Miller's tactical voting website at www.remainunited.org suggests you vote Lib Dem in Reigate

Just done my constituency.

"No recommendation"

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

even a die hard like you must be starting to wake up
regards
DF

I'm wide awake. Have you woken up to the fact that the conservatives do not like people of your ilk?

 

[Stat Brother]

[tweet]1198998239128805377[/tweet]

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Vote for whichever party has the best chance of beating the Tories in your seat.

Is the right answer

 

[abc]

Stolen from an FMTTM poster who stole it from Social Media:


Election rant:

I am a higher rate taxpayer. I’ve been a teacher for 10 years and am currently an Assistant Head in an inner-city school.

After Christmas every year, some of our students come back to school and have lost weight. Their parents are working but they aren’t being paid enough to make ends meet, and they can’t make up the difference in the holidays because their children aren’t getting free school meals for two weeks. Our students and their families live under the power of callous slum landlords who have taken over most of the poorest areas of our inner-cities - there are no council houses for them. These students come to school every single day. They work hard, are kind and ambitious, but poor. Very poor. We’re not just talking ‘working class’ poor; we’re talking Dickensian street urchin poor. And no, I’m not exaggerating.

I have seen a number of my friends posting impassioned complaints about Labour’s tax plans. They will be hit by a 50% tax on income above £80,000, and many of them feel that, considering what they already pay, this is unfair. Lots have gone further and said they resent, “giving more money to people who just don’t want to work”, and that people living in poverty are simply “lazy”. This is a very dangerous myth. We tell ourselves this fairytale that hard work and resilience alone will bring us everything we need. That might be true for people who find themselves in the right place at the right time like I did, or for those with a bit of a head start. It is not true for the vast majority of people living in poverty.

It’s impossible to save money when you only make just enough to survive.

It’s impossible to stay out of debt when you have no savings. One broken down car, one period of illness, one forced house move. One unforeseen emergency is enough to push someone into debt which they will struggle for years and years to pay off.

It’s impossible to defend a system where 34% of British children are living in poverty.

People are throwing around figures: the median income in this country is £24,897. For full time workers, this raises to £30,353. I’m not interested in the median, though - I’m interested in the difference between the TOP and the BOTTOM. The richest 5% of households in this country earn around £80,000, but this doesn’t take into account their other assets (property, savings, investments etc.) The bottom 5% of earners in this country make less than £10,000.

Labour are proposing to raise income tax for those earning over £80,000 per year - that would equate to an extra £21 per month for someone on £85,000. Some people would have you think this is unfair.

I’ll tell you what’s unfair - a society which cuts public services, schools, healthcare, transport and social care, and then demonises the poor for being unable to cope. If you live in your own home and have a comfortable income, your own car (or two) and can afford to go on holiday, it is possible that you haven’t even taken a moment to consider the reality for some:

Child A goes to school on the bus. It’s cold, leaking and less frequent than it used to be - public transport has been cut. They walk to the bus stop in broken shoes - they won’t ask mum for new ones until she gets paid at the end of the month, and even then, they will get cheap ones which will last a couple of months and need to be replaced again. They arrive at school, but school have had to cut the provision of free breakfasts (it was either that or the SEND teaching assistant). At lunchtime, they choose a sandwich for their free school meal, eat half of it, and keep the other half in their bag so that they can have something in the evening, too.

It’s not melodrama. It’s the truth. I see this reality every single day.

Please, if you are financially comfortable, don’t just think about yourself on 12th December - this election is not about you. You’ll be fine whatever happens. It’s about those quietened voices who exist outside of your world. You might not see them, but they exist. Your taxes will save lives.

Which is why Corbyn and Labour really piss me off. They are asking many of the right questions and making the right points but their 'solutions' and narratives are economic lunacy, division, hatred and racism and will make those that need the most help even worse off. If there was ever a time we needed an economically and politically intelligent alternative who could unite the people, it was now. The Conservatives will win this election entirely because Labour will have lost it. Labour will have failed the very people they purport to want to help. Corbyn, Momentum et al should be deeply ashamed and the rest of us deeply angry.

 

[WATFORD zero]

[tweet]1198998239128805377[/tweet]

Nobody has mentioned the people who will suffer most as a result of this election.

The Political Satirists

Whatever they come up, Johnson and his crew have actually managed to do worse. It's the end for political satire as we know it