[Politics] The General Election Thread

[clapham_gull]

We are in bizarre times when during an election there are currently four active criminal investigations related to the current government.

 

[vegster]

We are in bizarre times when during an election there are currently four active criminal investigations related to the current government.

According to The Express, Boris WILL trigger a £1 billion tax cut to turbo charge our economy post Brexit. ... It's all so easy isn't it?

 

[nicko31]

According to The Express, Boris WILL trigger a £1 billion tax cut to turbo charge our economy post Brexit. ... It's all so easy isn't it?

Will that get Tesla to shelf the 10,000 jobs going to Berlin and move to Blackpool instead?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Anyone can pull out one article to make the point they want to make.

Something you are completely missing. It is the default option of Corbyn supporters to blame the press when things aren’t going as they would wish - amply demonstrated by yourself here.

And your last point is just crap. If Corbyn got his way, Roedean wouldn’t exist so the “special requirements” you refer to would not be relevant.


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Where to start?

1. If you seriously trying to argue this point, you’re incredibly deceitful, or an absolute fool.

2. More wrong. I’m far from that.

3. Yet more wrong. Roedean would continue to exist, just without charitable status and associated tax breaks. Once again, you undermine your argument, by raising a further example of misrepresentation of Labour policy.

 

[nicko31]

Interesting day ahead as the liar, the fantasist and the realist all pitch to the CBI...

 

[nicko31]

One problem with a LibLab Coaltion:

LibDems - wholly stay in the EU as was. Absolutely no Norway+, etc etc.

Corbyn/McDonnell/McCluskey - career anti-EU, whilst many other senior Labour figures and MP’s want a pragmatic middle way relationship with the EU.

Shirley another Commons of indecision and backstabbing?

Government of national unity would be better, just put Boris's UK wrecking deal up against Germany +++ in a ratification vote.

More likely is more lies will be swallowed, snake oil will be purchased and the turkeys will vote for Christmas

 

[BLOCK F]

For all our differences on here, it really is sad to see the likes of Plooks and Man of Sussex resort to the C word , when referring to people they disagree with and have never met.
Totally unneccessary and says rather more about themselves than the people they consider to be C's.

 

[nicko31]

The question is have ITV ever hosted anything without f**king it up? They're in court today...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50450902

 

[Lever]

For all our differences on here, it really is sad to see the likes of Plooks and Man of Sussex resort to the C word , when referring to people they disagree with and have never met.
Totally unneccessary and says rather more about themselves than the people they consider to be C's.

Unfortunately this has been established practice for some time; Westdene Seagull (who doesn't know me at all) was reduced to calling me an unpleasant name some time ago and since then has suggested that, as I find his personal insult offensive, I am too sensitive to be a football supporter who actually goes to matches. You couldn't make it up.....

 

[Weststander]

Government of national unity would be better, just put Boris's UK wrecking deal up against Germany +++ in a ratification vote.

More likely is more lies will be swallowed, snake oil will be purchased and the turkeys will vote for Christmas

A Government of unity would be nice, with parties genuinely compromising.

So difficult to achieve in reality, as some parties (it’s not the Tories) imho would be politicking and scheming from day one within the bloc ... the SNP and certain senior Labour figures spring to mind. Playing a long game where they can later claim that another unity party for responsible for any controversial policies.

Complex, fluid times!

 

[Guinness Boy]

For all our differences on here, it really is sad to see the likes of Plooks and Man of Sussex resort to the C word , when referring to people they disagree with and have never met.
Totally unneccessary and says rather more about themselves than the people they consider to be C's.

That's why the word "banned" is currently under Plooks' user name. For all his paranoia and his attempts to come over as a cuddly liberal who just wants everyone treated fairly he's one of the most abusive and least tolerant people on this board. (And no, Plooks, it wasn't me who banned you as you will see when you're allowed back).

 

[Baldseagull]

Where to start?

1. If you seriously trying to argue this point, you’re incredibly deceitful, or an absolute fool.

2. More wrong. I’m far from that.

3. Yet more wrong. Roedean would continue to exist, just without charitable status and associated tax breaks. Once again, you undermine your argument, by raising a further example of misrepresentation of Labour policy.

Maybe he has read something somewhere, that has deliberately given him the wrong impression?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-daily-mail-conservatives-tory-a9204486.html

 

[Lower West Stander]

Where to start?

1. If you seriously trying to argue this point, you’re incredibly deceitful, or an absolute fool.

2. More wrong. I’m far from that.

3. Yet more wrong. Roedean would continue to exist, just without charitable status and associated tax breaks. Once again, you undermine your argument, by raising a further example of misrepresentation of Labour policy.

You Corbynistas just can’t help getting personal can you?

Because I don’t agree with you, you accuse me of deceit or being an idiot.

At least it’s not as bad as some of the abuse your colleagues have dished out.

Hey ho.


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[Guinness Boy]

You Corbynistas just can’t help getting personal can you?

Because I don’t agree with you, you accuse me of deceit or being an idiot.

At least it’s not as bad as some of the abuse your colleagues have dished out.

Hey ho.


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Struggling to understand why the only point you've chosen to actually address is the one you've got wrong again (he's not a Corbynista and neither am I).

 

[Triggaaar]

Care to comment on the above, and enlighten us all as to how the press bias is not a thing?

Of course the Express is biased crap. As is the Mail. But then the Mirror and Guardian are biased in favour of the left. Surely the point is that not all the press is biased in the same direction.

 

[Baldseagull]

You Corbynistas just can’t help getting personal can you?

Because I don’t agree with you, you accuse me of deceit or being an idiot.

At least it’s not as bad as some of the abuse your colleagues have dished out.

Hey ho.


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Sometimes, when someone disagree, it shows them up to be either deceitful or naive, e.g. Flat earthers, or people that think the biggest newspapers are not disproportionately biased against the left in general and Corbyn in particular. It is not really one of those instances where it is a matter of opinion, where each view is equally valid, the facts are known and easily demonstrated.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-daily-mail-conservatives-tory-a9204486.html

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A Government of unity would be nice, with parties genuinely compromising.

So difficult to achieve in reality, as some parties (it’s not the Tories) imho would be politicking and scheming from day one within the bloc ... the SNP and certain senior Labour figures spring to mind. Playing a long game where they can later claim that another unity party for responsible for any controversial policies.

Complex, fluid times!

Corbyn reminds me of our student union leaders in London over 40 years ago. If the vote looked like it wasn't going their way they'd try to amend it by invoking some obscure regulation and if that didn't work they'd declare the meeting inquorate. I've also seen them calling 'time overrun' when awkward questions were being asked (for example, what happened to the money raised for the Sandinistas?*)

*It was spent on drugs

 

[Baldseagull]

Of course the Express is biased crap. As is the Mail. But then the Mirror and Guardian are biased in favour of the left. Surely the point is that not all the press is biased in the same direction.

There are two things, one is the volume of readers for the different papers, it favours the right, and the other is the extent to which the right wing press will go to, Boris Johnson does not get his head stuck on a chicken by the Mirror, for example.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Probably a good point to consider the traditional leanings of the mainstream media though. Let's see where the balance lies. For me the papers are split as follows:

The Sun - Murdoch owned and Tory right / Brexit
The Mail - Tory with smatterings of right wing conspiracy theory
The Express - Tory (special target, frightened pensioners who hate snow and immigrants and love Pricess Di, God bless her)
The Times - One Nation Tory (also owned by Rupert)
The Telegraph - Tory. Basically read by the establishment, members of the ERG and people who like cricket reports in the summer. Reportedly being targetted by Steve Bannon who feels it's not right wing enough
Evening Standard - edited by George Osborne and pretty much his mouthpiece
The Guardian - employs Owen Jones but mainly written and read by the educated metropolitan remainers who are more likely to vote Green or Lib Dem. Nevertheless not likely to be nice to Tories and certainly has quite a few pro Labour views (not always pro Corbyn)
The Independent - Much more likely to be left leaning than independant. Speciality = depressing people
The Mirror - The true home of the Corbynista (apart from when they ask him questions about p**n at press conferences)
The Morning Star - slightly to the left of Corbyn but only read by [MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION]

Six out and out right wing papers with two broadsheets and one tabloid spread right over the rest of the left / liberal / remain diaspora.

When you add to this the BBC (who I have defended as balanced on here a number of times) employ Tory Kuenssberg as their political editor and Sarah Sands (former Telegraph writer, Daily Mail "shock Columnist" and friend of Dominic Lawson) as editor of Today and it's pretty hard to see how anyone can say media bias isn't a thing.

 

[Ernest]

Of course the Express is biased crap. As is the Mail. But then the Mirror and Guardian are biased in favour of the left. Surely the point is that not all the press is biased in the same direction.

The Guardian hates Corbyn