[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Raleigh Chopper]

There are absolutely no indicators anywhere at all that suggest they will though.

I won't post Betfair odds for the fear of upsetting someone-or-other, but if you truly believe what you are saying is at all likely, then you should be lumping on at very generous odds.

Who's that then.
It was just an observation, don't get all sensitive about it, carry on with your odds and stuff it's your board.

 

[Chicken Run]

Who's that then.
It was just an observation, don't get all sensitive about it, carry on with your odds and stuff it's your board.

Meeowww

 

[BLOCK F]

About polls.
I have been eligible to vote since the 1979 General election. I have never been contacted by any polling company about my voting intentions. I have never met anyone, to my knowledge who has contributed to pre- election polling.
Is there many on this thread that have been asked to contribute?

Lawro, I can go back further than you and I've never been contacted by any polling company either. In fact, I can't even remember any party worthies coming to my door and asking me if they can rely on my vote.
I' ve never been called up for jury duty either!

 

[BLOCK F]

Instead of the predictable insults, just for once read what others write and be prepared to learn from others' experiences, if they have first-hand knowledge of how life in practice works. The poster was not putting anything down, just pointing out the practical difficulties, which were doubtless very frustrating.

[MENTION=15497]hastings[/MENTION], sometimes I really cannot believe what Plooks comes out with.
Is he for real?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Have I understood you properly? Not one new single home has been built since 2015?

For mine and others benefit, could you confirm if you're going to vote as you did last time - Peter Chowney - Labour Party - or are you going elsewhere, vote wise?

 

[Weststander]

There are absolutely no indicators anywhere at all that suggest they will though.

I won't post Betfair odds for the fear of upsetting someone-or-other, but if you truly believe what you are saying is at all likely, then you should be lumping on at very generous odds.

This.

NSC’s very confident Corbynista’s can print themselves big money, by backing that at the bookies.

Or is there a deep down fear that it’s not going to materialise?

 

[ManOfSussex]

I did not realiae there were so many Tory ***** on here. Are they all brightonians? Surely someone from here would never vote for that scum. It is a sad sign of the times but I suppose we have an influx of people moving here as it is "trendy" bringing sick twisted views with them. Keep strong friends, we will turn them or defeat them!

T.I.S. This is Sussex. Tory ***** on here are par for the course.

 

[Weststander]

Who's that then.
It was just an observation, don't get all sensitive about it, carry on with your odds and stuff it's your board.

Some get knocky when gambling, matched betting or odds are mentioned in any shape or form.

 

[Weststander]

I did not realiae there were so many Tory ***** on here. Are they all brightonians? Surely someone from here would never vote for that scum. It is a sad sign of the times but I suppose we have an influx of people moving here as it is "trendy" bringing sick twisted views with them. Keep strong friends, we will turn them or defeat them!

Are you lumping Blairites, Labour brexiteers, Greens, LibDems, floating voters in with your hated group, if they simply don’t rate Corbyn/McDonnell?

NSC and our society contains a wide array of political views.

 

[theonlymikey]

For goodness sake, stop blaming the press.

What you are talking about is a massive over simplification. Even if the basic principle of broadband for all through tax was regarded as a good thing, most people are intelligent enough to see that it is a completely inattainable goal. That is why Labour are so far behind in the polls.

But then again, you thought a Corbynista councillor sending his daughter to Roedean wasn’t hypocritical.....


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Are you saying the media aren't an influence? Because if you do you have a major misunderstanding of social economics.

It's wrong to say the media are fully to blame.

It's wrong to say the media aren't at all to blame.

In actual fact, it is somewhere inbetween.

The use of "over simplification" only serves to undermine that there is a present issue with the fairness of media reporting.

I've heard many people this thread use the words "over simplification " to deny there is a problem. Either that, or you're the same person who has posted this tag line multiple times.

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[theonlymikey]

Mikey, My concern for pensions is regarding the effect Labour's war on industry would likely have on the stockmarket and thus on the pension funds invested in the market.
Moving onto Labour's plans for renationalisation, I refer you to an article that appeared in the FT concerning the possible effect on pension funds.In brief, it said 'several in industry warn that pension pots will definitely suffer a shortfall due to Labour plans to nationalise key infrastructure areas. George Bull,senior tax partner at RSM UK says:'because infrastructure investments will constitute part of the fund value for almost every defined benefit and defined contribution pension arrangement, the effect of nationalisation at less than current market value must be considered carefully by a Corbyn Government if chaos is to be avoided.Mr Bull goes on to say that while there may be some advantage for early movers, the general impact would be a reduction in fund values.'
The Global Infrastructure Investor Association says that more than 100 UK pension schemes are invested in infrastructure sectors that would be affected by nationalisation . This represents about 8 million pension pots, mostly from the public sector.The article goes on to say that in the case of DC funds, the reduction in forecast pensions which would follow nationalisation at less than full market value raises the spectre of workers taking industrial action in consequence of change imposed by a Labour government. For employees with DB schemes, shortfalls would arise that would necessitate increased contributions.Finally, Kay Ingram, director of policy at LEBC( financial advisers)says,nationalisation without paying fair market value will result in every saver and pension scheme losing money. That could threaten the solvency of many DB schemes, putting the Pension Protection Fund under pressure.
As a diehard Corbynista, you can call it all the nonsense in the world, but it doesn't change anything. And, by the way, we haven't even started on the proposed 10% share grab that McDonnell proposes.
If you want to read some more, get yourself a copy of Saturday's Times and read an interesting article by Philip Aldrick pointing out what happened to the French economy when Mitterrand imposed his brand of socialism. The author reckons Britain would suffer an even worse fate under Labour!
A fellow like you wouldn't take any notice though, 'cos Corbyn and McDonnell can do no wrong...........It's all the media innit!

Yet to hear a single policy that even relates to an attack on stock markets but okay.

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[Weststander]

Are you saying the media aren't an influence? Because if you do you have a major mix understanding of social economics.

It's wrong to say the media are fully to blame.

It's wrong to say the media aren't at all to blame.

In actual fact, somewhere inbetween.

The use of "over simplification" only serves to undermine that there is a present issue with the fairness of media reporting.

I've heard many people this thread use the words "over simplification " to deny there is a problem. Either that, or you're the same person who has posted this tag line multiple times.

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The media comes in countless forms these days. Of the traditional press, the Mirror, Guardian and Independent will in no way want a Tory government.

Then there’s a small army of incredibly popular vloggers, bloggers, twitterers and Facebook ‘experts’ propagating unashamed propaganda and fake news every day. We know they have an effect, look at the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Well they should **** off and support their local polo team then and stop infecting us with their cancerous ****ish opinions.

MoS nearly always rolls in drunk on a Sunday afternoon so we know why he gets abusive, what's your excuse?

 

[Weststander]

Who said I liked corbyn!? He wants to do brexit and is therefore not welcome in Brighton.

What’s all this anger with NSC and it’s numerate Tory ****? NSC political debates over the last 3 plus years have dominated by a few dozen anti-Tories, with a few very resilient Brexiteers.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Just fed up of all the right wing loonies saying we can not at least try and make the world a better place.

Ah ok, and there was I thinking you were just an immature ****.

 

[theonlymikey]

MoS nearly always rolls in drunk on a Sunday afternoon so we know why he gets abusive, what's your excuse?

Got an answer on whether or not tax payers money should go into private wallets when nationalisation could provide cheaper and save the country money long term, yet?

Possibly the 4th time I've asked now.

It's also quite narrow minded really. The benefits go way beyond a simple subsidy saving.

Subsidies stop - saving billions
House hold bills are cheaper.
People have more spending power.
Spending equals vat income.
More spending power equals a bigger market to sell to.
Bigger market equals more companies popping up.
More companies equals more biz taxes.
More companies equals more employment.
More employment equals welfare savings.
More employment equals more wages.
More wages equals more spending power.
More spending power equals vat income.
More employees with spending power equals a bigger market to sell to.
Bigger market equals more business popping up.

You get the idea.

Let's get that money out of stagnating bank accounts and into circulation.

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[KZNSeagull]

Just fed up of all the right wing loonies saying we can not at least try and make the world a better place.

Read a book called Factfulness. It may cheer you up slightly if you want to read about the world getting better.

 

[beorhthelm]

Got an answer on whether or not tax payers money should go into private wallets when nationalisation could provide cheaper and save the country money long term, yet?

Possibly the 4th time I've asked now.

It's also quite narrow minded really. The benefits go way beyond a simple subsidy saving.

Subsidies stop - saving billions
House hold bills are cheaper.
People have more spending power.
Spending equals vat income.
More spending power equals a bigger market to sell to.
Bigger market equals more companies popping up.
More companies equals more biz taxes.
More companies equals more employment.
More employment equals welfare savings.
More employment equals more wages.
More wages equals more spending power.
More spending power equals vat income.
More employees with spending power equals a bigger market to sell to.
Bigger market equals more business popping up.

You get the idea.

Let's get that money out of stagnating bank accounts and into circulation.

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good liberal economics you have have there, all you need to do is detach from the view everything has to be nationalised. its effective 100% subsidy to the operating organisation.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Well they should **** off and support their local polo team then and stop infecting us with their cancerous ****ish opinions.

Tory is as Tory does.....................Did you know they ripped a fox apart the other week? - https://www.kentonline.co.uk/romney-marsh/news/shocking-footage-shows-fox-hunt-kill-216071/

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Hi Harry,
A lot of licence taken there, if I may say so.
Still, your prose flowed well and almost had me weeping.
You are right, this election isn't about how bad Corbyn might be, it is about how bad Corbyn is now.
Even if Johnson is as demonic as you believe and the Tories are completely incompetent, at this very moment, he is seen to be the lesser of two evils, if you like.
As far as I am aware, no political leader, going into a G.E. has ever had such a low approval rating as Corbyn. You know why.
It is an appalling tragedy that a useless person like Corbyn was elected as leader of the Labour Party and the lunatics took over the asylum.
The anti Tory brigade can shout and holler as much as they like about Johnson, but the fact remains that for whatever reason, a perfectly decent Labour Party was hijacked by far left activists, much to the horror of moderates, including the likes of me, at heart a Tory voter. Let us hope those moderates can muster the balls to try and put their house in order and once again be a party that many ordinary people can identify with and vote for!

I agree with the first highlight.

Unfortunately (second highlight) this is not relevant all the while Corbyn decides to stay put if my understanding of the labour process* is correct. The membership have a big proportion of the vote, and as we saw before, if Corbyn is on the slate he will be re-elected by the members. To get on the slate you need to be a challenged incumbent or (if the leader resigns) an MP with 50 MP sponsors. So hoping Corbyn will be replaced anytime soon is beyond consideration right now.

I don't like Corbyn. I have emoted about it repeatedly. Not because of the IRA thing but because he has been so ponderous over key issues: Brexit and Anti-semitism; and because, frankly, I can't warm to him. I find Boris' easy charm more appealing. But that's becuase like so many, I am taken in by charming conscience-free psychopaths. So I can't let my gut feeling rule....

That's why, reluctantly, my higher cognitive functions are reminding me, when I falter, to back the more honest man (and here the less honest man is a free-and-easy serial liar - there is no contest). I really dislike serial liars, egregious fact benders, and politicians happy to break any rule to get their way. And when their way is actually a goal they have selected to suit their own gain and nothing more.....words are needless.

*I urged people to vote against Corbyn on here last time - hoping a thrashing would prompt a resignation, and the labour process, MP-led at the start, would preclude another old labour missfit onto the slate. Sadly momentum still think they 'won' the last general election. And.....times have now changed. I'd back liberal if I thought this would help, but nationally, and in my constituency, it won't.

Anyway, I understand how you might consider Boris the lesser of two evils, and maybe he will end up doing little harm. Only time will tell. All the best from darkest Faversham

ps I hate the term 'ordinary' people. A labour bloke kept using the expression on the radio this morning. I think many of us will agree, we are not effing ordinary. We do our bit, for our families and society. That's not ordinary. We are not all bottom feeders and cud chewers. Our lives matter.