The End Of Time Part II

[TrickyOne]

Bit disappointed with the show tbh. Did anyone see where the Master went??

 

[1066gull]

Bit disappointed with the show tbh. Did anyone see where the Master went??

wartched it again cos i too missed that, but he vanished as he knew the truth

my guess is he may as well regenerate as that body is dying, but i would just love it if john simm returned

 

[TrickyOne]

wartched it again cos i too missed that, but he vanished as he knew the truth

my guess is he may as well regenerate as that body is dying, but i would just love it if john simm returned

Agreed, Simm was quality. I thought last year's was better tho'.

 

[Brovion]

Hey 1066gull, you know your 'Who', there's one thing recently that's puzzled me. After meeting the Doctor (Eccleston) Queen Victoria set up Torchwood partly because she wanted an organistion which could protect Britain against aliens such as the Doctor. How do they explain the fact that during the time of Jon Pertwee's Doctor and his close collaboration with UNIT Torchwood was never mentioned? You'd think that somebody might once have said "Let's see if Torchwood know anything about this."

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

Hey 1066gull, you know your 'Who', there's one thing recently that's puzzled me. After meeting the Doctor (Eccleston) Queen Victoria set up Torchwood partly because she wanted an organistion which could protect Britain against aliens such as the Doctor. How do they explain the fact that during the time of Jon Pertwee's Doctor and his close collaboration with UNIT Torchwood was never mentioned? You'd think that somebody might once have said "Let's see if Torchwood know anything about this."

It was Tennant's doctor that met Queen Vic. It's never been explained how Torchwood avoided previous incarnations of the doctor but with it being a time travel show I guess we're expected to believe Torchwood only popped into existance from the doctor's personal point view once he had the rendez-vous with her maj and time then changed around him... a bit like why The Masters of the 60s and 70s never mentioned the drums in his head he's had since he was a child!

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Bit disappointed with the show tbh. Did anyone see where the Master went??

I imagine into the next series, if the filming overlapped and John Simms was avalible.

Also thought it was okay but not the best, will see how the new writer/director does in the sping, he wrote the 'don't blink' episode I think so will hopefully deliver some more of that.

 

[Acker79]

It's never been explained how Torchwood avoided previous incarnations of the doctor !

Kinda reminds me of a thought I keep having.

Wasn't there an episode of Star Trek TNG where they inserted the crew into an old episode of Shatner era star trek?

Could/Should they do something similar with Dr Who? i.e. Have the current doctor input into an old episode of the show?

 

[Frutos]

Kinda reminds me of a thought I keep having.

Wasn't there an episode of Star Trek TNG where they inserted the crew into an old episode of Shatner era star trek?

Deep Space Nine.

It was called "Trials And Tribble-ations" and mixed in the DS9 lot with footage from the classic original series episode "The Trouble With Tribbles".

 

[brakespear]

I imagine into the next series, if the filming overlapped and John Simms was avalible.

Also thought it was okay but not the best, will see how the new writer/director does in the sping, he wrote the 'don't blink' episode I think so will hopefully deliver some more of that.

I seem to recall reading that John Simms had stated he wouldn't want to do work with another actor as The Doctor as he felt he should remain David Tennant's Master.

And according to the new season trailer it seems that more of 'Blink' will at least partially be what Stephen Moffatt provides (hopefully he will also match the quality of his 'Girl in the Fireplace' which imo is the best 'new' Who episode so far).

 

[dougdeep]

Could/Should they do something similar with Dr Who? i.e. Have the current doctor input into an old episode of the show?

There was an episode with all the former doctors in, the ones who were still alive that is.

 

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There was an episode with all the former doctors in, the ones who were still alive that is.

He means use footage of an old episode, not a multi-doctor story.

It's the show's 50th anniversary in 3 years on that note... Tennant will be back, betcha.

 

[Kenhead]

Well they did use footage of the old Doctor's in 'The Next Doctor' in the story the Doctor flashed up hes previous selves by using a Cyber-info stat. It was shown like a projection on a wall so the previous footage could have a tint over it as i believe that if they had just put the footage in untouched it would have jarred as different recording methods through the years.

 

[1066gull]

Hey 1066gull, you know your 'Who', there's one thing recently that's puzzled me. After meeting the Doctor (Eccleston) Queen Victoria set up Torchwood partly because she wanted an organistion which could protect Britain against aliens such as the Doctor. How do they explain the fact that during the time of Jon Pertwee's Doctor and his close collaboration with UNIT Torchwood was never mentioned? You'd think that somebody might once have said "Let's see if Torchwood know anything about this."

The Master escaped the Time War by making himself human. That human (Professor Yana) was found naked and scared as a boy at 'The Silver Devastation' with only a fob watch, a device that helps turn a human in to a Timelord. The true essences of the Master remained in that watch, but it has now been explained that a signal originating from the Temple of Schism, only became active after the Time War had been complete. It must have been dormant when Gallifrey still existed. Professor Yana, although being his own person, still was the Master, and the noise in his head became 'active' when Gallifrey was destroyed.


The Torchwood theory is a lot more complicated, to be honest there is a lot of plot holes when a story involves going back in time. Take Captain Jack for example;

-Its 1941, and we first meet Captain Jack during the London Blitz as a con-artist.
-Later on after traveling with the Doctor he gets left behind on Earth and goes back to the 19th century to live right through to the 21st Century surpassing his original self
-In an episode of Torchwood, Captain Jack is transported from present day 2007 to the Cardiff Blitz of 1941, alongside two other versions of himself.
-A fourth version of Captain Jack is buried under Cardiff 23AD, gets dug up by 19th Century Torchwood whist (second bulletin) self works for them.

So at one point in 1941, there is four Captain Jack's on one timeline.

This is why we should never think about time travel, it will cause repercussions. It's also a recurring plot hole of RTD's writing.

Water of Mars
-Captain Adelaide sees a Dalek, that Dalek recognizes her importance, but the Daleks were planning to destroy the universe so if she was destroyed along with the whole universe, they would all fade.

 

[1066gull]

Last of the Timelords
-The Doctor reverses time to the actual point of the president being assassinated, whilst being in the same room which said happened.


The only good true continuity of time travel I have seen is in Farscape (3.5 Different Destinations), they Time Traveled by accident after exploring history and manage to finally keep the timeline intact, but differently in a way that would devastate them. A bit like the Doctor causing events to unfold I suppose.

 

[Spider]

Also thought it was okay but not the best, will see how the new writer/director does in the sping, he wrote the 'don't blink' episode I think so will hopefully deliver some more of that.

He also wrote the Empty Child episodes, The Girl in the Fireplace and Silence in the Library episodes from series 4 (I imagine most of you know anyway), all of which easily form most of the best episodes of the show since its revival, so I'm really excited to see what he does with a new series of his own. Obviously won't be writing all the episodes though, so not a complete guarantee of quality! At least we won't have to suffer anymore poor/good with annoying elements RTD episodes, and the prospect of a Moffatt finale is pretty exciting.

Also, I've decided there's no point in trying to think about time travel in any show (I'm watching Season 5 of Lost at the moment!) because I swear there's not really anyway you can do it without creating plot holes. As a concept I swear it wouldn't work so I just try and ignore it!

 

[SUIYHP]

Also thought it was okay but not the best, will see how the new writer/director does in the sping, he wrote the 'don't blink' episode I think so will hopefully deliver some more of that.

The preview confirms the angels from blink make a comeback so hopefully all is good.

 

[Brovion]

Last of the Timelords
-The Doctor reverses time to the actual point of the president being assassinated, whilst being in the same room which said happened.


The only good true continuity of time travel I have seen is in Farscape (3.5 Different Destinations), they Time Traveled by accident after exploring history and manage to finally keep the timeline intact, but differently in a way that would devastate them. A bit like the Doctor causing events to unfold I suppose.

Thanks for the replies (and you Danny). Yeah, I guess it IS a TV show about time travel that's being going on for 30 years (not counting the break before Eccleston) so I suppose the odd query is understandable - and can be explained by the fact that as the Doctor goes back and forth time keeps changing anyway.

I also remember years ago (can't remember which Doctor) that a specific limit was stated as to how often a Time Lord could regenerate. I THINK it was nine, so that's another 'rule' they've broken!

 

[Frutos]

I also remember years ago (can't remember which Doctor) that a specific limit was stated as to how often a Time Lord could regenerate. I THINK it was nine, so that's another 'rule' they've broken!

I think each Time Lord has 13 'lives' (so 12 regenerations), but I might be wrong.