The end of Rangers?

[severnside gull]

Now trying to force players to stay with the newco - interesting that Rangers set the precedent for going to civil courts. Will players now challenge them there because as far as I can see the players' contracts automatically fail when the original company folded?

Puts the SPFA in an intersting position for sure

Green warning to Rangers players - Footymad

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Now trying to force players to stay with the newco - interesting that Rangers set the precedent for going to civil courts. Will players now challenge them there because as far as I can see the players' contracts automatically fail when the original company folded?

Puts the SPFA in an intersting position for sure

Green warning to Rangers players - Footymad

The newco seems to believe that the players' contracts have been purchased as part of Green's deal. Most people seem to believe that they have some right to choose their employer, rather than be sold into servitude (even if the wages are reasonable).

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948) declares in Article 4 "No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms".

 

[Martinf]

The newco seems to believe that the players' contracts have been purchased as part of Green's deal. Most people seem to believe that they have some right to choose their employer, rather than be sold into servitude (even if the wages are reasonable).

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948) declares in Article 4 "No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms".

So you're saying the Club 12 players are slaves?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

So you're saying the Club 12 players are slaves?

No. I'm saying that it's not possible for an entirely new organisation to purchase employment contracts without the agreement of the employees.

Although that is precisely how slavery works.

 

[Ernest]

The newco seems to believe that the players' contracts have been purchased as part of Green's deal. Most people seem to believe that they have some right to choose their employer, rather than be sold into servitude (even if the wages are reasonable).

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948) declares in Article 4 "No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms".

What about TUPE ?

 

[Southern Scouse]

More to this than meets the eye.
I have a hunch that Walter Smith's consortium pulled out as they knew that a lot of the first team would rip up their contracts as I think they are allowed to do under TUPE. I have no idea if WS knew first, or the players knew WS would pull out first but the conclusion is the same.
Green has little chance of selling and making a big profit without any/many players. Perhaps this has been done to force him to return to the table with WS, at a better price as the majority of them would no doubt sign up for him and Allie.
Rangers would be far better off with WS, McCoist and Co, in the future so hopefully something gives soon. However, if Rangers are to play in the Scottish 3rd Division so be it.

 

[Gullys Cats]

Club 12 lol

 

[Gullys Cats]

I feel for their fans

 

[happypig]

What about TUPE ?

TUPE - Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employment is a set of rules whereby an employee has certain things protected if their employer sells the business. It protects things like length of service so that, for example, an employer cannot transfer a load of employees into a new company then make them redundant with minimal payout.

I don't know how it would apply to Rangers as I would think they would want the existing players to stay on but at significantly lower pay.

 

[severnside gull]

What about TUPE ?

Fixed term contracts between the player and Glasgow Rangers FC (or whatever the old company was called) - don't see any way they can legally be passed to the new company. There could be a consensual transfer or a new contract offer but TUPE definitely doesn't apply to short term fixed term contracts as far as I'm aware.

I can't see any reason that all of the players can't walk away although football's "special rules" for creditors might be tested and they might have to go fly for the wages that were deferred towards the end of last season.

In addition a number of the players reportedly "did a deal" in taking a deferal of wages in exchange for the right to walk away. If the current transfer ban sticks they might have a few problems in store yet in addition to hopefully playing in a lower league.

 

[Ernest]

Most players have no allegiance to Rangers especially the foreigners so can imagine their agents would want them to move on so they can pocket a fee. Be quite funny if they all walk out and can't sign players so can't even get out of the 3rd Division

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

TUPE - Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employment is a set of rules whereby an employee has certain things protected if their employer sells the business. It protects things like length of service so that, for example, an employer cannot transfer a load of employees into a new company then make them redundant with minimal payout.

I don't know how it would apply to Rangers as I would think they would want the existing players to stay on but at significantly lower pay.

The employee has the right to refuse being TUPE'd across to a new company , it isn't compulsory. Most people have to accept TUPE as they cannot afford to be out of work.

 

[Jambo Seagull]

I feel for their fans

If you lived up here, believe me, you wouldn't. They've had it coming for years.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Do Rangers have a loyalty points scheme ? Might be a few binfests with the away allocations in SFL3 even with 80% of ground capacities.

 

[BensGrandad]

Is it not usual when somebody buys a company irrespective of the nature of the company they take on all the employees under the same terms as they were employed originally.

 

[severnside gull]

they can offer to employ people but the employees have the right to decline the offer

the question Rangers newco are raising is whether the employee is obliged to accept the offer of employment in the specific situation (ie. a fixed term contract).

logically the answer has to be "no"

 

[Ernest]

What a total and utter mess, the only real fair way is for any club that gets liquidated is to be formed afresh in the lowest division with new players and ground. Maybe stop a few chancers that way.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Is it not usual when somebody buys a company irrespective of the nature of the company they take on all the employees under the same terms as they were employed originally.

They HAVEN'T bought the company, though. They've bought the assets of a dissolved company.

 

[ManxSeagull]

The next mess I see is assuming Rangers do not get the necessary votes to stay in the top division, who takes their place.... the relegated team or the team who finished second in the league below?

From what I gather no one really knows.

Playoff match?.....I can see this going on and on for a while yet.

 

[BensGrandad]

Is there not a possibility that if they are thrown out of the SPL they will take it to civil court and thus stop the season starting in Scotland.