[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

[dwayne]

Yes, but we know that's all left wing lies and false information so we've got to vote for Mr. Trump to save the world and make America great again - he's the only one telling the truth, all the rest are liars ..........................

God bless save America,

I personally just don't think it's that black and white.

Take Russia / Ukraine for example many military experts believe trump will end the war. Yes Ukraine will likely lose out on a few things but what is better a continued expensive war with thousands dying or Ukraine losing some land ?

A lot of the left leaning media has trump as a war monger , yet Kamala has the ultimate war monger dick Cheney on her team !!

Why are two serious democrats in Kennedy jr and Tulsi gabbard backing trump ?

And so on.....

 

[nwgull]

As each day passes the more I’m facing up to the fact that the world is facing another Trump term - either 4 years or however long it takes for a diet of McD’s to catch up with a late 70s fat bloke.

The attraction of populist rhetoric and policies cannot be underestimated, even if anyone with a brain can see that those policies couldn’t practically be implented. Just look at the effect the 350m bus had.

 

[nicko31]

Think its fair to say and this has been for some time, Trump has a free pass to say anything, whatever he says makes very little difference, its doesn't matter, its just publicity and profile. If you're MAGA you're still MAGA.

We have 2 candidates, one elected for rational reasons, another is a cult

The way I see it, the only way the Dems can pulled it off is with turnout. They are the majority and have been for a generation, only the bent system gives the GOP power.

The UK system isn't perfect but at least the party with the most vote always hold power either on their own or with a junior coalition partner

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Joe Rogan who was a registered Democrat said there was no way Trump would appear on his podcasts in 2016.

Guess who is appearing on the JRE on Friday?

 

[pb21]

Take Russia / Ukraine for example many military experts believe trump will end the war.

Of course the war will end if Ukraine are forced to surrender.

 

[JBizzle]

I personally just don't think it's that black and white.

Take Russia / Ukraine for example many military experts believe trump will end the war. Yes Ukraine will likely lose out on a few things but what is better a continued expensive war with thousands dying or Ukraine losing some land ?

A lot of the left leaning media has trump as a war monger , yet Kamala has the ultimate war monger dick Cheney on her team !!

Why are two serious democrats in Kennedy jr and Tulsi gabbard backing trump ?

And so on.....

I have a lot of questions on this...

1. Do you think Russia will be content simply gaining some land?
2. They gained land in Crimea, did that stop them coming back for more?
3. Does Ukraine losing land also preclude thousands dying?
4. Why would Ukraine just let Russia have a part of their country (again)?
5. What actually is Trump's plan to end the war?

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Think its fair to say and this has been for some time, Trump has a free pass to say anything, whatever he says makes very little difference, its doesn't matter, its just publicity and profile. If you're MAGA you're still MAGA.

We have 2 candidates, one elected for rational reasons, another is a cult

The way I see it, the only way the Dems can pulled it off is with turnout. They are the majority and have been for a generation, only the bent system gives the GOP power.

The UK system isn't perfect but at least the party with the most vote always hold power either on their own or with a junior coalition partner

What do you base this idea of the majority on?

 

[dwayne]

I have a lot of questions on this...

1. Do you think Russia will be content simply gaining some land?
2. They gained land in Crimea, did that stop them coming back for more?
3. Does Ukraine losing land also preclude thousands dying?
4. Why would Ukraine just let Russia have a part of their country (again)?
5. What actually is Trump's plan to end the war?

1) I don't know but what's the alternative ? Continued bloodshed ? Millions down the drain.
2) no
3) If the war stops then yes.
4) what's the alternative?
5) some kind of botched peace plan I'm guessing.

I would personally prefer an unfair ceasefire / end of war to continued bloodshed.

 

[dwayne]

Think its fair to say and this has been for some time, Trump has a free pass to say anything, whatever he says makes very little difference, its doesn't matter, its just publicity and profile. If you're MAGA you're still MAGA.

We have 2 candidates, one elected for rational reasons, another is a cult

The way I see it, the only way the Dems can pulled it off is with turnout. They are the majority and have been for a generation, only the bent system gives the GOP power.

The UK system isn't perfect but at least the party with the most vote always hold power either on their own or with a junior coalition partner

Kamala elected? Are you sure?

 

[GT49er]

I personally just don't think it's that black and white.

Take Russia / Ukraine for example many military experts believe trump will end the war. Yes Ukraine will likely lose out ........

Yes, let me just stop you there. After Ukraine surrender completely, who will be next? Latvia? Moldova? Your guess is as good as mine (well, based on what you post, perhaps not).

Why are two serious democrats in Kennedy jr and Tulsi gabbard backing trump ?

And so on.....

Why are several million thick as shit, demented, conspiracy theorist supporters in America backing Trump? 'Stupidity' comes to mind .............................

 

[GT49er]

1) I don't know but what's the alternative ? Continued bloodshed ? Millions down the drain.
2) no
3) If the war stops then yes.
4) what's the alternative?
5) some kind of botched peace plan I'm guessing.

I would personally prefer an unfair ceasefire / end of war to continued bloodshed.

You seem to have difficulty differentiating between ceasefire and surrender.

 

[sparkie]

I have a lot of questions on this...

1. Do you think Russia will be content simply gaining some land?
2. They gained land in Crimea, did that stop them coming back for more?
3. Does Ukraine losing land also preclude thousands dying?
4. Why would Ukraine just let Russia have a part of their country (again)?
5. What actually is Trump's plan to end the war?

Total unconditional surrender and slavery for Ukraine.

 

[raymondo]

Of course the war will end if Ukraine are forced to surrender.

I'm unsure how they can be forced to surrender . The US president can stop providing military or humanitarian aid if he or she wants. Other countries can make up their own mind. The US can pull out of NATO if they want.
Ukraine can keep fighting, even with less support, IF THEY WANT.
Whatever happens I am hoping for continuing enormous harm to be inflicted upon the Russian (and now North Korean) military, elite and economy.
,(I'm not having a dig at your post @pb21 )

 

[nicko31]

What do you base this idea of the majority on?

The number of people voting for a party, one person, one vote

 

[knocky1]

The UK system isn't perfect but at least the party with the most vote always hold power either on their own or with a junior coalition partner

Not with Winston Churchill's return in 1951.
13,717,851 votes for him BUT 13,948,385 for Clement Attlee.
321 to 295 seats out of 625 for the Tory.

 

[nicko31]

Not with Winston Churchill's return in 1951.
13,717,851 votes for him BUT 13,948,385 for Clement Attlee.
321 to 295 seats out of 625 for the Tory.

You got me there!!!

 

[Withdean South Stand]

Why are two serious democrats in Kennedy jr and Tulsi gabbard backing trump ?

To be clear, neither of those two were ever really Democrats and certainly neither of them are serious! Both of them are properly head mental, so of course they would descend into Trump's cult. It's very tragic in some ways, even someone like JD Vance who only 8 years ago called Trump America's Hitler has fallen in line. Obviously, in the case of these three it's part of their personal grift opportunities.

But for people like you and the others on this thread who are 100% Trump, I don't get it.

 

[dwayne]

To be clear, neither of those two were ever really Democrats and certainly neither of them are serious! Both of them are properly head mental, so of course they would descend into Trump's cult. It's very tragic in some ways, even someone like JD Vance who only 8 years ago called Trump America's Hitler has fallen in line. Obviously, in the case of these three it's part of their personal grift opportunities.

But for people like you and the others on this thread who are 100% Trump, I don't get it.

I'm not 100% trump lol. I just try and see both sides.

Erm Tulsi Gabbard is a serious politician, she maybe an opportunist and more religious than the average Brit but she's definitely not head mental. She's probably achieved more in her political career than Kamala.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

I'm not 100% trump lol. I just try and see both sides.

Erm Tulsi Gabbard is a serious politician, she maybe an opportunist and more religious than the average Brit but she's definitely not head mental. She's probably achieved more in her political career than Kamala.

What do you think Tulsi Gabbard has achieved that Vice President Kamala Harris hasn't?

 

[Albion my Albion]

Why are two serious democrats in Kennedy jr and Tulsi gabbard backing trump ?

Cause they are nuts, fruitcakes and wormbrainers!!!!

https://thehill.com/homenews/4348166-kinzinger-knocks-gabbard-pearl-harbor/