[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[jordanseagull]

I'm neither "welcoming" nor "not welcoming" of any comment I've not read and has not been reported so I politely request you go easy on unfounded accusations.

I've clicked back through the chain of replies to find the comment you refer to. Donald Trump is a reprehensible human being, but trying to kill people we disagree with isn't a course of action I can agree with.

There’s no unfounded accusation, there was a question that you’ve answered. I’d have thought supporting assassination would be worthy of a thread ban but it’s not my forum.

 

[chickens]

Where did 20 million Democrats go from 2020 to 2024.
Joe got 81 million votes
Kamala got 60?

I suspect that’s 20 million voters who had given Biden their vote, and felt poorer, or no wealthier, in 2024 than they had at the last election. Voters no longer believed they had the answer.

Biden/Harris needed inflation to have dropped faster, and wage growth to have been stronger (seemingly contradictory I know) for a Democrat win. I have a horrible feeling Labour may discover the same over here.

 

[Nottseagull]

I didn't. In a different post I commented on "women for Trump"

In that case, I'm wondering why you didn't refer to 'Thick White People'

 

[nicko31]

I suspect that’s 20 million voters who had given Biden their vote, and felt poorer, or no wealthier, in 2024 than they had at the last election. Voters no longer believed they had the answer.

Biden/Harris needed inflation to have dropped faster, and wage growth to have been stronger (seemingly contradictory I know) for a Democrat win. I have a horrible feeling Labour may discover the same over here.

The US has had a strong economy and it sounds like the Dems failed to share the gains among the right people.

In the UK we have a weak economy, Labour have their work cut out. 1997 it ain't, its a 10-15 year re-build

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No, you're just endorsing 'the rules' instead by claiming an assassination of someone who holds different political views to you would 'suit you'. It's incredibly ironic.

I wonder if @Bozza et al would be quite so welcoming of comments claiming a Harris assassination would 'suit them'.

It goes beyond "differing poltical views." I feel he is a real threat. And this is not about Harris.

I personally think the world would be a far better place if Putin, Trump plus a few others, did not exist on it. I have a good grasp of US culture; if he was shot dead then I'd offer my thoughts and prays and move on. That is how it works over there.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

My working theory is CINO (Christian In Name Only) - I have a couple of friends who are C of E, and involve themselves at their local church.

They have (between themselves) divided their local congregation into three categories:

1. those who genuinely believe and work hard to live by Christian values.

2. Regular people, not massively observant, decent to talk to and well-meaning.

3. CINO - those who are at the church to try and derive status from it, and who occasionally try to embroil the local vicar in what he considers some quite ungodly causes (closing down the soup kitchen, because the annex smells after all the homeless people have been in was one that stuck in my mind) they are often on lots of committees outside the church too.

American Christianity seems weaponised to me, and chock full of CINO who want to use their status to try and order society as they see fit.

Christianity being what they hide behind, but people who would have been given very short shrift by Jesus, and had better hope that no Old Testament god makes their presence felt.

That’s a personal theory, backed up by no more than some anecdotal conversations with a couple of friends in the UK. It’s the best I have atm. I go back to my previous point of America’s total amorality, and not believing this is an example we should follow. Lots of churches in America, very few genuine Christians to my mind.

TLDR - religion as status symbol, rather than belief. Performative Christianity if you will.

I could have moved to Texas in 2007 ( UK operation shutdown) but fortunately didn’t. Of those that did go a lot of them are involved ( if FB is anything to go by) to one level or another in various churches.
Speaking to one chap who lives in another part of the US, he says that in the mid west and southern states if you want to have any ‘life’ you need to join a church. It’s greatly frowned upon not to be in a church. You can be ostracised for such a crime.
As an atheist, I dodged a bullet …..

 

[Vin]

What's the mood like in AZ @AZ Gull. Looks like Trump is circa 6% up on voting.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I suspect that’s 20 million voters who had given Biden their vote, and felt poorer, or no wealthier, in 2024 than they had at the last election. Voters no longer believed they had the answer.

Biden/Harris needed inflation to have dropped faster, and wage growth to have been stronger (seemingly contradictory I know) for a Democrat win. I have a horrible feeling Labour may discover the same over here.

This subject has been bubbling along on X since yesterday. There argument seems to be:

It was a high turnout election - not sure how this is measured, but
the total votes cast is something like 20m down, mostly on the Dem side
There are people in various states who voted early who are saying their votes are showing as 'Returned'
There is a story that the mail in vote data is 'not being recognized' but the by the election software.

Combine this with the fact that Trump went to great efforts to put his people into the election staff nationwide has generated a theory, but

Without any evidence it's just sounds like sour grapes.

Worth keeping an eye on.

 

[RandyWanger]

I have a horrible feeling Labour may discover the same over here.

They will.

 

[nicko31]

I could have moved to Texas in 2007 ( UK operation shutdown) but fortunately didn’t. Of those that did go a lot of them are involved ( if FB is anything to go by) to one level or another in various churches.
Speaking to one chap who lives in another part of the US, he says that in the mid west and southern states if you want to have any ‘life’ you need to join a church. It’s greatly frowned upon not to be in a church. You can be ostracised for such a crime.
As an atheist, I dodged a bullet …..

Spent a fair bit of time in the Mid-West, lovely people, very safe and actually a great place to raise kids. But very narrow view of the world and I trying getting a friggin beer in places

 

[jordanseagull]

It goes beyond "differing poltical views." I feel he is a real threat. And this is not about Harris.

I personally think the world would be a far better place if Putin, Trump plus a few others, did not exist on it. I have a good grasp of US culture; if he was shot dead then I'd offer my thoughts and prays and move on. That is how it works over there.

Assassinating people you 'feel' are a real threat is the route forward? I guess we have a wildly different approach to what progress (and anti-fascism) looks like.

 

[A1X]

Need some help please. I don't speak German, can anyone confirm if this is a good thing?

 

[Curious Orange]

Where did 20 million Democrats go from 2020 to 2024.
Joe got 81 million votes
Kamala got 60?

Is it unreasonable to think they didn't like either candidate and so abstained?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

In that case, I'm wondering why you didn't refer to 'Thick White People'

Because in that specific post I was talking specifically about the demographic charts they keep referring to detailing the "non college-educated white male". That's why I'm talking about that exact demographic.

In the other post I was talking about Women for Trump considering his "history" with women in his life.

That ok?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Assassinating people you 'feel' are a real threat is the route forward? I guess we have a wildly different approach to what progress (and anti-fascism) looks like.

Yes, I have a differing view to you...which brings us full-circle to your initial post.

 

[Springal]

Sounds good

 

[Springal]

Assassinating people you 'feel' are a real threat is the route forward? I guess we have a wildly different approach to what progress (and anti-fascism) looks like.

Why not ? Loads of people get assassinated rather than just put in jail

 

[Bozza]

There’s no unfounded accusation, there was a question that you’ve answered. I’d have thought supporting assassination would be worthy of a thread ban but it’s not my forum.

No, you absolutely accused me of welcoming a post I'd never even seen.

 

[ROSM]

Unless I missed it on here

This is the breakdown by demographic.

In short white male 45 to 64 is the key population (and indeed it filters more into 50 to 64) were the major trump voters

It seems every other major demographic split except
- males 20 to 30
- non degree level education

voted against trump

Independents split marginally toward Democrat. More Republicans voted Democrat than Democrats voted republican.

The black vote aligns in 24 to what it did in 20

However what this does show is that there wasn't enough of them across the pro dem splits. Either harris didn't get her vote out or for some other reason they couldn't vote

National Exit Polls: Election 2024 Results

Follow exit polls from the 2024 general election. Explore key insights, voter demographics and trends that may shape the outcomes of key 2024 election races.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[WATFORD zero]

These people need to take their share of responsibility, smugly talking down to people
Its been shown not to work

I'm sorry, but if someone chooses to vote against their own interests because someone has lied to them, how is that anyone's responsibility but their own

And for completeness, I am aware that a small percentage of people who voted Trump, Johnson and Brexit will and did benefit significantly, and I can fully understand why they did it, even if I don't agree with stitching up your own nation for personal gain.