[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[WATFORD zero]

These people need to take their share of responsibility, smugly talking down to people
Its been shown not to work

I'm sorry, but if someone chooses to vote against their own interests because someone has lied to them, how is that anyone's responsibility but their own

And for completeness, I am aware that a small percentage of people who voted Trump, Johnson and Brexit will and did benefit significantly, and I can fully understand why they did it, even if I don't agree with stitching up your own nation for personal gain.

 

[Mellotron]

It's going to be tricky to make proposals to save democracy if they're going to be founded on the idea that the majority shouldn't win.

You mean like in 2016?

 

[Jackthelad]

My working theory is CINO (Christian In Name Only) - I have a couple of friends who are C of E, and involve themselves at their local church.

They have (between themselves) divided their local congregation into three categories:

1. those who genuinely believe and work hard to live by Christian values.

2. Regular people, not massively observant, decent to talk to and well-meaning.

3. CINO - those who are at the church to try and derive status from it, and who occasionally try to embroil the local vicar in what he considers some quite ungodly causes (closing down the soup kitchen, because the annex smells after all the homeless people have been in was one that stuck in my mind) they are often on lots of committees outside the church too.

American Christianity seems weaponised to me, and chock full of CINO who want to use their status to try and order society as they see fit.

Christianity being what they hide behind, but people who would have been given very short shrift by Jesus, and had better hope that no Old Testament god makes their presence felt.

That’s a personal theory, backed up by no more than some anecdotal conversations with a couple of friends in the UK. It’s the best I have atm. I go back to my previous point of America’s total amorality, and not believing this is an example we should follow. Lots of churches in America, very few genuine Christians to my mind.

TLDR - religion as status symbol, rather than belief. Performative Christianity if you

It goes beyond "differing poltical views." I feel he is a real threat. And this is not about Harris.

I personally think the world would be a far better place if Putin, Trump plus a few others, did not exist on it. I have a good grasp of US culture; if he was shot dead then I'd offer my thoughts and prays and move on. That is how it works over there.

There are millions Putins and Trumps out there. Trump is not particularly effective at what he does. Killing him would make your enemy 10x stronger.

 

[Frutos]

Interesting to hear some of the Dem names being bandied about for 2028 already.

Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg seem to be the two I've seen most, along with the seemingly obligatory references to Michelle Obama.

 

[nicko31]

Sounds good

He's the blueprint for wannabe autocrats

Media freedom, the justice system, partisan civil service etc All Project 2025 stuff...

 

[ROSM]

Interesting to hear some of the Dem names being bandied about for 2028 already.

Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg seem to be the two I've seen most, along with the seemingly obligatory references to Michelle Obama.

Shapiro had a close escape as he was considered for VP pick. Him and Buttigieg seem a likely pairing for the primaries

 

[portslade seagull]

As my nan always said ' they've made their bed now they've got to lay in it ' for the next 4yrs for better or worse

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Interesting to hear some of the Dem names being bandied about for 2028 already.

Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg seem to be the two I've seen most, along with the seemingly obligatory references to Michelle Obama.

Newsom wouldn't win, more of the same

Buttigieg would have more of a chance

 

[hart's shirt]

Need some help please. I don't speak German, can anyone confirm if this is a good thing?

Wouldn't happen in Germany.

(Been there, done that.)

 

[Stato]

I suspect that’s 20 million voters who had given Biden their vote, and felt poorer, or no wealthier, in 2024 than they had at the last election. Voters no longer believed they had the answer.

Biden/Harris needed inflation to have dropped faster, and wage growth to have been stronger (seemingly contradictory I know) for a Democrat win. I have a horrible feeling Labour may discover the same over here.

They will.

Labour's popular vote in 2024 was actually down on the 2019 results. Over half a million more people voted for Corbyn's Labour party than did for Starmer's. However the Tory popular vote was down by over 7 million. The scale of the win was due to the Tory collapse and Labour's astute targetting of vulnerable seats rather than a great appetite for Starmer. Labour's issue won't necessarily be holding their own vote, but whether the electorate continue their distaste for their opponents.

 

[GT49er]

It's not blind faith, it's a written Constitution that would require the opposing party to vote through measures to alter the Constitution. It's not happening.

...................... and you think there'll be enough democrats to block it? Plus some too scared to risk their families by opposing it. Senate, congress and the judges all going/gone republican with big majorities.

We can always learn from history; so now we can learn from history what will happen. It's happened before.

 

[banjo]

 

[KZNSeagull]

A decent explanation as to why Trump won here from Peter Hyman 30mins in:

 

[1066familyman]

I haven't followed this thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned already, then there's a book that I'd recommend reading.

The Precipice by Noam Chomsky

 

[jimhigham]

Labour's popular vote in 2024 was actually down on the 2019 results. Over half a million more people voted for Corbyn's Labour party than did for Starmer's. However the Tory popular vote was down by over 7 million. The scale of the win was due to the Tory collapse and Labour's astute targetting of vulnerable seats rather than a great appetite for Starmer. Labour's issue won't necessarily be holding their own vote, but whether the electorate continue their distaste for their opponents.

Labour's vote share may well have dropped because polling in the last few days made it clear they were going to win at a canter, thereby enabling many to vote with their heart a little. Their vote might hold up a little better than anticipated if tested, as people face a serious Labour/Tory choice.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

The most accurate 2020 pollster back with the final poll in the 7.

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Absolutely spot on btw.

 

[Seagull58]

Where did 20 million Democrats go from 2020 to 2024.
Joe got 81 million votes
Kamala got 60?

She got 68 million, near enough, so there are 13 million Dems who voted in 2020 but not in 2024. They didn't vote Trump because his vote is down by nearly 2 million.

 

[Mellotron]

It does slightly ease my hurt, hurt feelings that Trump's vote count went DOWN.

So suggestions the whole of America has suddenly lurched to the right demographically is not really true.

 

[Bodian]

It does slightly ease my hurt, hurt feelings that Trump's vote count went DOWN.

So suggestions the whole of America has suddenly lurched to the right demographically is not really true.

Still quite a few votes yet to be counted though.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

It took 104 years for it to happen but American journalist Henry Mencken's prediction came true