[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Triggaaar]

Part of me is thinking if Trump doesn’t get elected then America could be facing civil strife akin to a civil war. My UKIP, Farage, Trump loving neighbour told me America was heading this way back in 2016 - he literally said there will be a civil war

And was there?

 

[Zeberdi]

And was there?

Obviously you misread my post - i didn’t mean he said there would be a civil war in 2016 but that he told me in 2016 America was heading that way. He didn’t specify a timeline…I laughed it off at the time as anti-Clinton ‘lock her up talk’ but now I‘m not so sure.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/next-us-civil-war-already-here-we-refuse-to-see-it

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I think some people might be jumping the gun here about Trump becoming POTUS based on just a single caucus result. I'm not saying he's not going to win, but to call it right now is just a *bit* premature.

I have to admit, I never thought he would run again because I honestly don't think he had it in him to be bothered. I've always said, it was about having the title, not doing the job (like Johnson), but maybe that's how he'll approach it again. At least – based on what he said last night – if he DOES get into office, he'll be able to get Putin to call off the Ukraine invasion and, presumably, solve the Middle East conflict...

 

[pb21]

I'm not saying he's not going to win,

I'm not saying Trump is going to win, but it looks more likely that he will, at least at the moment...

 

[nicko31]

I'm not saying Trump is going to win, but it looks more likely that he will, at least at the moment...

Historically incumbents tend to do poorly at this stage in the game. This a long way to go

 

[Mellotron]

I'm still baffled who the NEW Trump voters are, that weren't there 4 years ago, but hey.

 

[raymondo]

Oh, unquestionably. He has no qualms riding roughshod over any institutions or guardrails in his way and would think nothing of urinating on the constitution.

I guess my point is, if he's in for four, he's out after that point whereas is he doesn't win he'll be a constant malignant spectre in the rear view mirror of US politics.

To be clear though, I'm in no way advocating a return to office, but the US seem incapable of rejecting him

Yes, that all seems true. Let's just hope he wouldn't be allowed to change the rules...but it's a weird country for sure.

 

[raymondo]

I'm still baffled who the NEW Trump voters are, that weren't there 4 years ago, but hey.

Offspring of Trump supporters that have now reached voting age...forced to vote for him at gunpoint by their parents

 

[Seagull58]

I think some people might be jumping the gun here about Trump becoming POTUS based on just a single caucus result. I'm not saying he's not going to win, but to call it right now is just a *bit* premature.

I have to admit, I never thought he would run again because I honestly don't think he had it in him to be bothered. I've always said, it was about having the title, not doing the job (like Johnson), but maybe that's how he'll approach it again. At least – based on what he said last night – if he DOES get into office, he'll be able to get Putin to call off the Ukraine invasion and, presumably, solve the Middle East conflict...

He has to run and win to stay out of jail. He won't win, he will go to jail and people will be killed in the civil unrest/insurrection that follows.

 

[chickens]

I'm still baffled who the NEW Trump voters are, that weren't there 4 years ago, but hey.

I’m not sure there are huge numbers, but I think at the last election Trump was fresh in people’s mind, and getting him out of power was seen as imperative.

Now the Democrats have had a turn, the working masses have not seen a massive upswing in their living standards, and so anti-establishment is back in vogue.

I’m not expecting Trump’s vote share to massively exceed his previous numbers, but I fear a sense of lethargy and lack of enthusiasm for keeping Joe Biden’s corpse propped up in the White House will lead to a drop in votes for the blue team.

 

[Pavilionaire]

The thing about Trump is he dumbs everything down to the extent that he polarises political debate.

If you're not for him then you're a liar / hypocrite / subversive force / anti-America. He has zero respect for any other politician, especially from those on his own side. He denigrates people he appointed and then fired without ever questioning his own judgment as to why he appointed them in the first place.

After his defeat 4 years ago he is a wounded animal, this is personal to him and so this presidential campaign will be bloody.

Biden has integrity but his age and frailty is a massive weakness. Kamala Harris has also failed to cut through to the electorate, she has a low approval rating yet could assume the presidency if Biden wins the election but has to step down for health reasons. Trump will be all over "A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris".

 

[raymondo]

it is not a given - the Republican voters in Iowa (upto 75% of Rep voters) are predominantly Evangelical Christians so it is unsurprising that he has done so well since he’s worked very hard at cultivating that base in Iowa - hopefully that will not be reflected nationally.

I agree he will ‘sell’ the Ukrainians down the river and put pressure on Zelenskyy to concede part of Ukraine he already did that with the Palestinians and his Abraham Accords - inflaming Muslim relations in the ME to breaking point and a precursor to the current war- his undermining of NATO and cosying up to dictators like Putin and Kim is an existential threat to us all as is his climate change denying policies on the environment.

What I find increasingly surprising given the hatred he has generated and the threats to American democracy he’s not had any assassination attempts against him - but then the mad fcukers who have been responsible for Presidential assassination attempts in the past are probably the very type of
people that are Trump supporters today.

Europe needs to start investing more in its military and weaponry, and help Ukraine do the same.
Trump wanted this before (not unreasonably IMO... perhaps the only thing I agreed with him), and if he threatens or actions US withdrawal from NATO, we'll sure as hell need it.

 

[Seagull58]

Part of me is thinking if Trump doesn’t get elected then America could be facing civil strife akin to a civil war. My UKIP, Farage, Trump loving neighbour told me America was heading this way back in 2016 - he literally said there will be a civil war - the way he said it it sounded like there were political forces at work that were deliberately undermining the stability of American society and Farage and Trump were in full cohorts with it. I did think ‘Russia’ but that would that would be a conspiracy too far.

If Trump doesn't get in (he won't) there will be civil unrest and violence.

 

[Seagull58]

Oh, unquestionably. He has no qualms riding roughshod over any institutions or guardrails in his way and would think nothing of urinating on the constitution.

I guess my point is, if he's in for four, he's out after that point whereas is he doesn't win he'll be a constant malignant spectre in the rear view mirror of US politics.

To be clear though, I'm in no way advocating a return to office, but the US seem incapable of rejecting him

If he was to get in he won't be going away after 4 years. He will be in for life, using the insurrection act, the Supreme Court and his supporters in the Secret Service and the military.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

If Trump doesn't get in (he won't) there will be civil unrest and violence.

Yes people shooting others, thoughts and ..........................oh f*** it who cares?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Trump appears to be an unstoppable vicious monster. Nothing short of a mobster boss run amok. Sadly there's enough small brain American Idiots out there to vote him in again if he's allowed to run. Shame on you America if you allow this to happen

 

[Mellotron]

Offspring of Trump supporters that have now reached voting age...forced to vote for him at gunpoint by their parents

Surely generational drift means as many as that - if not more - have also passed away?

 

[herecomesaregular]

People are very strange. They see what they want to see. Perspective based on their belief systems. Very frightening.

 

[nwgull]

Even if he doesn't win, he isn't going away any time soon...

Weirdly, winning means we get 4 years and then he's done. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't change the rules to allow presidents to serve more than 2 terms, then we're in real trouble

Surely generational drift means as many as that - if not more - have also passed away?

I was wondering this. Is supporting Trump a generational thing, like supporting Brexit? In which case his vote will drop off with older generations dying over the last 4 years.

Alternatively, is it an age thing, like supporting the Conservative Party? In which case Trump voters who’ve died will be replaced by an equivalent number of aging Dem voters.

 

[Mellotron]

I was wondering this. Is supporting Trump a generational thing, like supporting Brexit? In which case his vote will drop off with older generations dying over the last 4 years.

Alternatively, is it an age thing, like supporting the Conservative Party? In which case Trump voters who’ve died will be replaced by an equivalent number of aging Dem voters.

Although given how nefarious Trump is, I'm sure he's finding ways to make sure dead people can (and do) vote for him.

DISCLAIMER - I am (mostly) joking, before any MAGA-oddballs jump on this with;

Sleepy Joe is ackshually doing this, see! ; *Link to UTTERLY ridiculous YouTube channel/weird blog that looks like an American Conspiracy Version of The Argus Website on Cocaine*