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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .






Hometownglory

Well-known member
Jan 12, 2014
646
A lot of people with egg on their face as they have been following their heart rather than their head.

He’s going to win all 7 swing states and now quite possibly the popular vote as well.

Americans felt better off and safer with him as President, that’s why he’s won. Nothing more, nothing less.
Agreed. I always feel safer with a convicted felons who suggest injecting bleach as a possible viral treatment.
 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patron
Jul 16, 2003
58,787
hassocks
She is doing worse than Biden everywhere.

I suspect it comes down to the fact that she is a black woman and he is a white old man. That’s Americans for you.
she was never popular outside certain pockets of democrats, she got knocked out of the primaries fairly early in 2019 and looked out of her depth there.

She has run a really bad campaign after being parachuted in when a decent chunk of the party didn't want her.

I'm sure some people haven't voted for her because she's a black woman, I imagine most have not voted for her because she's an awful choice that not even her own party fully wanted.

Her going to bed rather than address her supporters sums up her performance.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,561
Gods country fortnightly
Now a straight race to the finish as to what kills us first between Putin and the climate catastrophe.

Trump won't lift a finger to stop either.
I’m really depressed for my kids this morning but I’m keeping it to myself. We need global leadership on the climate more than ever, Trump will just double down on legacy energy
 






nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,561
Gods country fortnightly
she was never popular outside certain pockets of democrats, she got knocked out of the primaries fairly early in 2019 and looked out of her depth there.

She has run a really bad campaign after being parachuted in when a decent chunk of the party didn't want her.

I'm sure some people haven't voted for her because she's a black woman, I imagine most have not voted for her because she's an awful choice that not even her own party fully wanted.

Her going to bed rather than address her supporters sums up her performance.
She didn’t run a bad campaign but she is woman and she is black.

America is still a largely sexist and racist country , it was always a tall order
 


hart's shirt

Well-known member
Jul 8, 2003
11,074
Kitbag in Dubai
It'll be easy to find low-hanging excuses based on colour or gender, but the Democrats engineered the situation by hiding Biden away and backing him with misplaced loyalty long after he'd become a political liability. If Harris loses, it'll be as much about not having enough time to put her own stamp on things as her connection with Biden. One can blame ordinary Americans / Trump-voters all one likes - it has, after all, been NSC's default setting for the last 8 years and looks likely to continue - but the Democrats have brought this situation on themselves with the mismanagement of their candidate selection. An absolute shambles.

As for Britain, the special relationship isn't looking all that special now.

A former Director of Public Prosecutions and a convicted felon will make uneasy political bedfellows.

As America lurches right politically and becomes even more insular, if this doesn't encourage Britain to take steps to reverse Brexit at the earliest opportunity, nothing will.

There's safety in numbers.
 


nwgull

Well-known member
Jul 25, 2003
14,532
Manchester

she was never popular outside certain pockets of democrats, she got knocked out of the primaries fairly early in 2019 and looked out of her depth there.

She has run a really bad campaign after being parachuted in when a decent chunk of the party didn't want her.

I'm sure some people haven't voted for her because she's a black woman, I imagine most have not voted for her because she's an awful choice that not even her own party fully wanted.

Her going to bed rather than address her supporters sums up her performance.
I don’t blame her. Who else could’ve run after Biden dropped out several months later than he should have?
 




willalbion

Well-known member
May 8, 2006
1,585
London
She didn’t run a bad campaign but she is woman and she is black.

America is still a largely sexist and racist country , it was always a tall order
There’s that in part but I do think, as a previous poster mentioned. Most Americans felt better off financially under Trump. That nostalgia wins elections.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
A lot of people with egg on their face as they have been following their heart rather than their head.

He’s going to win all 7 swing states and now quite possibly the popular vote as well.

Americans felt better off and safer with him as President, that’s why he’s won. Nothing more, nothing less.
That’s the problem with emotions. They can be manipulated by propaganda.
 


Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
20,721
Eastbourne
She didn’t run a bad campaign but she is woman and she is black.

America is still a largely sexist and racist country , it was always a tall order
I think that is doing Americans a huge disservice. It didn't seem to matter that Obama was black. I don't think it matters that she is a woman either, she was just an uninspiring candidate. Trump is truly awful, dreadful and as thick as two planks, however he somehow appeals to a lot of people, the Democrats entered the race with Biden who was clearly losing it and failed miserably to find a younger and dynamic runner. Our politics over here has been pretty depressing the last ten years, but the US, they are off the chart.
 




Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
6,886
Two reasons.

1. They are like him.
2. They have voted for tax cuts. It’s all about No.1 in America. The world can burn as long as they get the extra dollar.
Selfish prlcks but a sign of the global populist zeitgeist. The ‘little people’ fighting back against globalism, immigration and post-pandemic economies.

Had a feeling all long this election was on a knife-edge/toss up and a lot of people here were over-playing Harris’s chances - what a shltshow for the States and rest of the world.

Well Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania still to be called - the ‘blue wall’ that was always going go pave her only realistic route to 270 rather than any of the other swing states but the maths are a rapidly becoming impossible to overcome - just pockets of urban areas left now and with Trump out performing in the rest of the State, it’s not looking like Harris will make up the shortfall with urban or mail in votes.

Bad night for America bad night for us.

Worth repeating what I said last night, democracy is carving itself to splinters while autocracy is having its best year since 1937.
 
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Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patron
Jul 16, 2003
58,787
hassocks
She didn’t run a bad campaign but she is woman and she is black.

America is still a largely sexist and racist country , it was always a tall order

She didn't cut through, her interviews and rallies where mainly about how bad Trump was and not what she wanted to do.




I don’t blame her. Who else could’ve run after Biden dropped out several months later than he should have?
O it's 100 percent on Biden and the party.

They didn't have a proper succession plan and Biden should have pulled out months before.
 






Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
NSC Patron
Jul 16, 2003
58,787
hassocks
I think that is doing Americans a huge disservice. It didn't seem to matter that Obama was black. I don't think it matters that she is a woman either, she was just an uninspiring candidate. Trump is truly awful, dreadful and as thick as two planks, however he somehow appeals to a lot of people, the Democrats entered the race with Biden who was clearly losing it and failed miserably to find a younger and dynamic runner. Our politics over her has been pretty depressing the last ten years, but the US, they are off the chart.
It's such a small thing, but she wasn't cutting through with middle America, so what did she do?

Get a load of Hollywood stars to make patronising videos, that's going to work.
 


Hugo Rune

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Feb 23, 2012
23,657
Brighton
she was never popular outside certain pockets of democrats, she got knocked out of the primaries fairly early in 2019 and looked out of her depth there.

She has run a really bad campaign after being parachuted in when a decent chunk of the party didn't want her.

I'm sure some people haven't voted for her because she's a black woman, I imagine most have not voted for her because she's an awful choice that not even her own party fully wanted.

Her going to bed rather than address her supporters sums up her performance.
It’s very easy to say that the democrats had a bad campaign or Harris was the wrong person.

But the real story is the popularity of Trump. It would have taken someone like Obama to beat Trump this time round. He has won big. Trump attracts blind love or profound hate from the electorate. He found a way to tip the scales in a divided country. I don’t think it was down to what the democrats didn’t do, I think it was about what he did do. He promised wealth. Wealth to many voters who put money above anything else such as honesty, judgment or just plain human decency. He’s played a blinder.
 










Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
20,721
Eastbourne
It's such a small thing, but she wasn't cutting through with middle America, so what did she do?

Get a load of Hollywood stars to make patronising videos, that's going to work.
Unlike many here, I don't think this means the US is a bad country just as I don't think the UK is after Brexit. I cannot fathom how the Democrats ended up sticking with Biden, that decision was absolutely fatal for their chances. The sheer hubris of the democrats has proved fatal.
 


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