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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
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Insurrection - a violent uprising against an authority or government.
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Fignon's Ponytail
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Nah, they were just "trespassing" weren't they?!
Seagull58
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TouristsNah, they were just "trespassing" weren't they?!
Shitting in the nation's capitol is for sure against the law and human decency.
Cordwainer
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The Verve were wrong. The drugs do work.
Filmed just outside of Crawley I believe.
It can't be an insurrection because I think an insurrection is a party for Confederate flag wavers.Nah, they were just "trespassing" weren't they?!
BadFish
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He wasn't quite as daft either.
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Cordwainer
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No, you’re a conspiracy theorist but what am I.
These people have killed satire..there is no point any more.
And anyway, everyone knows that Obama controls the space lasers. From his basement. In Kenya.
de la zouch
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Having worked in the US and studied American political systems as part of my degree im clearly overqualified to comment on this thread 
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However my observations. Never in a million years did I see a world where Trump could be favourite to win at this stage of the electoral cycle. So why is this:
- Biden literally doesn’t know what day it is. Very sad but true
- Kamala Harris has been shown to be totally out of her depth and is pretty much despised across the spectrum
- immigration is truly an issue now in the eyes of most Americans (who are all immigrants) and Joe has been asleep at the wheel on this.
- the democrats have tied themselves in knots on the Israel situation
However I have hope that he won’t win. I think he will pick an even more obnoxious running mate that will remove 10% of sensible old skool republicans and cost him the election
.However my observations. Never in a million years did I see a world where Trump could be favourite to win at this stage of the electoral cycle. So why is this:
- Biden literally doesn’t know what day it is. Very sad but true
- Kamala Harris has been shown to be totally out of her depth and is pretty much despised across the spectrum
- immigration is truly an issue now in the eyes of most Americans (who are all immigrants) and Joe has been asleep at the wheel on this.
- the democrats have tied themselves in knots on the Israel situation
However I have hope that he won’t win. I think he will pick an even more obnoxious running mate that will remove 10% of sensible old skool republicans and cost him the election
cjd
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I find it hard to agree with anything you post, but you are keeping one poster busy with lengthy replies, allowing the rest of the forum to breathe a little.
Keep up the good work.
It looks inevitable i’m afraid that somehow Trump will be back in The White House in January next year!
Yep. The president cannot lead an insurrection because by law he cannot lead an insurrection. By law.WHY TRUMP HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH INSURRECTION BY THE WASHINGTON DC PROSECUTOR
This may help to understand why ‘insurrection’ is no longer related to the criminal trial/charges bought against Trump for the Jan 6 riots and attack on the Capitol by the District of Columbia because there seems to be some confusion what his legal jeopardy is - while Trump was indicted for High Crimes and Misdemeanours by the House of Representatives, the indictment fell short of the majority required to convict him (not legally but politically) when the vote took place in the Senate. The House referred the indictment charges of High Crimes and Misdemeanours to the DoJ which included recommendations for a charge of insurrection but the DoJ concluded ‘insurrection’ would be difficult to prosecute in the criminal court for a number of reasons:
INSIGHTS
*The issue of the 14th Amendment on ’insurrection’ was bypassed again recently when SCOTUS ruled that ‘public officials’ under part 3 of the 14th Amendment did not include Presidents - therefore Article 14th barring officials standing again for office who have been found guilty of ‘insurrection’ (which the Federal Law does not define) did not apply to Trump.
- When the Jan. 6 House committee formally referred Trump for criminal charges last year, insurrection was one of the counts included. It would allege that Trump was directly involved in the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6. But including that charge would’ve complicated the case and been harder to prove than the broader conspiracy charges, Dennis Aftergut, a former federal prosecutor, writes in Slate. “That narrowing increases the prospects for a pre-election trial.”
- One of the reasons an insurrection charge could be complicated: Prosecutors would have to rely on Trump’s speech the day of the riot to prove he was encouraging a riot. That kind of argument could face “potentially tricky First Amendment issues,” former assistant U.S. attorney Randall Eliason writes in The New York Times. Those legal disputes “would have been time-consuming and distracting because the speech could be easily characterized as a political rally.”
- The charge of “conspiracy against rights,” a civil rights law that prohibits trying to deprive someone of their right to vote, can serve as a more straightforward stand-in for an insurrection charge, which is rarely brought in court. The conspiracy charge, on the other hand, has been successfully tested. — Just Security
- There was outsized attention on a possible insurrection charge in part because the Constitution’s 14th Amendment bars anyone who engages in insurrection from holding office. In theory, a conviction would disqualify Trump from serving a second term in the White House. — The Washington Post- *
- While the lack of an incitement charge simplifies the case against Trump, we’re still in uncharted legal territory, especially given that the defendant is the former president. Smith’s case “requires some unprecedented interpretations of the U.S. criminal code” — including proving that Trump knew he lost the election — and shouldn’t be seen as a slam dunk, Jim Geraghty argues in National Review.
Why Jack Smith didn’t charge Trump with inciting an insurrection | Semafor
We’ve curated insights from experts on why an insurrection charge was absent from the third indictment against Trump.www.semafor.com
It is as if he is caught raping someone but cannot be charged because by law the president cannot be charged with rape. By law.
It's as if the President can do pretty much whatever he likes.
No wonder, every decade or so, a president gets shot.
I’ve been assuming it’s the same person…
No, you’re a conspiracy theorist but what am I.
These people have killed satire..there is no point any more.
Tell me about it.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Accuses Jewish Space Lasers of Trying to Shoot Down Santa
“If you want to win the war on Christmas, first you take out the person who makes Christmas possible,” Greene said.
Yes. Which makes it even more incredible that he swept the state primaries on Super Thursday.
nicko31
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Only their flawed version of democracy makes it still possible, the US hasn't been red in the popular vote since the early 90's.
If Trump wins in November, the US will move from a flawed democracy to a failed one. That becomes a problem for us all