Stop this nonsense of Covid passports, ID and masks

[rippleman]

I'll tell you what's even more boring than having to live with COVID and the precautions we have to take, it's the people moaning about it.

Like a Brexiteer to a remainer, it's happening, get used to it and get on with it.

My bolding. Being pedantic. But we no longer HAVE to take "precautions".

HMG under advice from scientists has removed the statutory obligations for social distancing, wearing of facemasks etc.

What precautions you take are now a matter of personal choice.

I totally get those "moaning" about individuals or organisations who are so paranoid that they want to impose rules and regulations that even HMG and their scientists accept are no longer required.

 

[Weststander]

Not exactly free-and-legal-parking friendly at that drop off.

I parked on Fleet Street on double yellows with hazards, ran over, paranoid about getting a ticket.

 

[dazzer6666]

Not knowing too much about cancer treatment, but I am aware that the reason for the lack of immune response to the vaccine is the steroids suppressing the immune system allowing the chemo to do it's job.

Can it not be cycled in (depending on how aggressive the cancer is) to allow a small gap in the chemo to allow their immune system to recover enough for a response to the vaccine for each dose?

I don't know but imagine they would have considered that - the patients she is working with on the trial are all palliative (terminal) anyway (not sure of that makes any difference).

 

[m@goo]

My bolding. Being pedantic. But we no longer HAVE to take "precautions".

HMG under advice from scientists has removed the statutory obligations for social distancing, wearing of facemasks etc.

What precautions you take are now a matter of personal choice.

I totally get those "moaning" about individuals or organisations who are so paranoid that they want to impose rules and regulations that even HMG and their scientists accept are no longer required.

I'm not moaning about the precautions, I'm moaning about the people moaning about precautions. That is now boring.

 

[Albion Dan]

So looks possible (from PHE) that vaccinated pass on delta exactly the same as non vaccinated people. The covid pass is a farce.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/cor...-not-stop-delta-transmission-uk-warns-2504452

 

[matski_98]

I see which media you are reading. Go to one of those protests and then tell me about the people you meet

Oh, ok. I wasn't going to rise to your obvious trolling but I'll bite.

I was sitting outside of The Albert about a month ago when a protest came up the road. It was the same anti vax/lockdown protest that had earlier forced a mobile vaccination off of Hove Lawns earlier in the day.

There were about 100 or so protesters. For some reason they stopped outside The Albert and decided to berate everyone who was sitting there (who were minding their own business) for being a sheep, wearing a mask, telling us to open our eyes etc etc. The protesters seemed to be a mix of anti vax, anti lock down, conspiracy theorists (Bill Gates, 5G and Q Anon placards). Some of the group then decided to break off, flyer the tables and engage with people who were sitting there in an anti vax debate. After politely telling one of them to **** off I then had to actually tell them to **** off. At that point the bar staff came over and also told them to do one and the scuttled off up the road.

I've also had the misfortune of coming across a protest in London In answer to your question the type of protester I saw at both protests was a collection of people with similar views but coming from a variety of stand points and was in line with what I'd been reading and seeing on the news.

I don't particularly care if you do or don't get a vaccine. You are in the minority and its up to you if you want to run the risk of getting sick, thankfully the NHS will be there to pick up the pieces if things go south. What I don't understand is why you need to bother me about it? Its my right to have the vaccine and take precautions as much as it yours to not.

What I do care about is getting back to some sort of normality and being able to go and see my football club. If that means spending an extra couple of minutes sorting out the paper work and having an additional check to ensure peoples safety then I'm ok with that, it feels like a small price to pay. If you're not ok with that then stay home and watch it on TV. It really is that simple.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Oh, ok. I wasn't going to rise to your obvious trolling but I'll bite.

I was sitting outside of The Albert about a month ago when a protest came up the road. It was the same anti vax/lockdown protest that had earlier forced a mobile vaccination off of Hove Lawns earlier in the day.

There were about 100 or so protesters. For some reason they stopped outside The Albert and decided to berate everyone who was sitting there (who were minding their own business) for being a sheep, wearing a mask, telling us to open our eyes etc etc. The protesters seemed to be a mix of anti vax, anti lock down, conspiracy theorists (Bill Gates, 5G and Q Anon placards). Some of the group then decided to break off, flyer the tables and engage with people who were sitting there in an anti vax debate. After politely telling one of them to **** off I then had to actually tell them to **** off. At that point the bar staff came over and also told them to do one and the scuttled off up the road.

I've also had the misfortune of coming across a protest in London In answer to your question the type of protester I saw at both protests was a collection of people with similar views but coming from a variety of stand points and was in line with what I'd been reading and seeing on the news.

I don't particularly care if you do or don't get a vaccine. You are in the minority and its up to you if you want to run the risk of getting sick, thankfully the NHS will be there to pick up the pieces if things go south. What I don't understand is why you need to bother me about it? Its my right to have the vaccine and take precautions as much as it yours to not.

What I do care about is getting back to some sort of normality and being able to go and see my football club. If that means spending an extra couple of minutes sorting out the paper work and having an additional check to ensure peoples safety then I'm ok with that, it feels like a small price to pay. If you're not ok with that then stay home and watch it on TV. It really is that simple.

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[m20gull]

So looks possible (from PHE) that vaccinated pass on delta exactly the same as non vaccinated people. The covid pass is a farce.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/cor...-not-stop-delta-transmission-uk-warns-2504452

But non vaccinated people are 3 times as likely to have the virus in the first place so at least 3 times as likely to pass it on.

 

[drew]

So looks possible (from PHE) that vaccinated pass on delta exactly the same as non vaccinated people. The covid pass is a farce.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/cor...-not-stop-delta-transmission-uk-warns-2504452

Where have PHE stated that? Certainly not in that. PHE are not saying vaccines are 100% effective, I don't think they ever have.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

But non vaccinated people are 3 times as likely to have the virus in the first place so at least 3 times as likely to pass it on.

He won’t answer. Never does. He will just scuttle back to Twitter to find some other conspiracy theory to regale us with.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

My bolding. Being pedantic. But we no longer HAVE to take "precautions".

HMG under advice from scientists has removed the statutory obligations for social distancing, wearing of facemasks etc.

What precautions you take are now a matter of personal choice.

I totally get those "moaning" about individuals or organisations who are so paranoid that they want to impose rules and regulations that even HMG and their scientists accept are no longer required.

Sorry, but we do HAVE to take precautions if we wish to enter private premises and they are required. We have just dropped our dog at the groomers and there is a sign requiring people to wear masks. The Albion also have rules that we HAVE to follow. Unless you are on the board you have no say in what those rules are. So you HAVE to follow them or do something else.

 

[n1 gull]

Oh, ok. I wasn't going to rise to your obvious trolling but I'll bite.

I was sitting outside of The Albert about a month ago when a protest came up the road. It was the same anti vax/lockdown protest that had earlier forced a mobile vaccination off of Hove Lawns earlier in the day.

There were about 100 or so protesters. For some reason they stopped outside The Albert and decided to berate everyone who was sitting there (who were minding their own business) for being a sheep, wearing a mask, telling us to open our eyes etc etc. The protesters seemed to be a mix of anti vax, anti lock down, conspiracy theorists (Bill Gates, 5G and Q Anon placards). Some of the group then decided to break off, flyer the tables and engage with people who were sitting there in an anti vax debate. After politely telling one of them to **** off I then had to actually tell them to **** off. At that point the bar staff came over and also told them to do one and the scuttled off up the road.

I've also had the misfortune of coming across a protest in London In answer to your question the type of protester I saw at both protests was a collection of people with similar views but coming from a variety of stand points and was in line with what I'd been reading and seeing on the news.

I don't particularly care if you do or don't get a vaccine. You are in the minority and its up to you if you want to run the risk of getting sick, thankfully the NHS will be there to pick up the pieces if things go south. What I don't understand is why you need to bother me about it? Its my right to have the vaccine and take precautions as much as it yours to not.

What I do care about is getting back to some sort of normality and being able to go and see my football club. If that means spending an extra couple of minutes sorting out the paper work and having an additional check to ensure peoples safety then I'm ok with that, it feels like a small price to pay. If you're not ok with that then stay home and watch it on TV. It really is that simple.

I'm not anti-vaccination. I have had 2 jabs. I have never said one thing against the vaccination ever

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not anti-vaccination. I have had 2 jabs. I have never said one thing against the vaccination ever

Therefore you will have (or have access to get) a digital Covid Pass or a paper one, which you can get in The Amex with. It will take them all of 10 seconds to match this to your photo ID. What's your problem?

 

[Wardy's twin]

My bolding. Being pedantic. But we no longer HAVE to take "precautions".

HMG under advice from scientists has removed the statutory obligations for social distancing, wearing of facemasks etc.

What precautions you take are now a matter of personal choice.

I totally get those "moaning" about individuals or organisations who are so paranoid that they want to impose rules and regulations that even HMG and their scientists accept are no longer required.

I am not sure you are absolutely correct, plenty of scientists and medical people have warned against reducing the restrictions too early.

I suspect the government asked the lead scientists a question around the numbers likely to be hit and once armed with information they deemed it ok to proceed.

You emphasise the 'need' to take precautions and conflating a legal position and a common sense one.

The government has missed out on common sense in many of its decisions and its recent decision to allow night clubs to open unrestricted until October when they will then be forced to check for Covid jabs is a classic example of this. What makes their decision more daft is that the rates are likely (hopefully) going to be lower by then.

People like me are not asking for lockdowns , but are asking for people to think about the many who are vulnerable. Wearing a mask should not be an issue for most.

 

[Saladpack Seagull]

I am considered 'Clinically Extremely Vulnerable' after losing an eye to Ethmoid cancer three years ago. Then six months later having a 22mm tumour removed from my brain.
The drugs I have had to take in the last two and a half years have left me absolutely knackered.
I have had two jabs and my sons have set my phone up to gain entry to the Amex - hopefully they work coz there will be a long line behind me effing and jeffing if not.
I fully intend to watch every home game that I'm able to - masked up.
I would hope that others would respect the advice given by the club to keep everyone safe.

The Voice of Reason from someone I perceive to be an absolute DIAMOND! Long may your health allow you to go to Albion games......

 

[Lower West Stander]

I am not sure you are absolutely correct, plenty of scientists and medical people have warned against reducing the restrictions too early.

I suspect the government asked the lead scientists a question around the numbers likely to be hit and once armed with information they deemed it ok to proceed.

You emphasise the 'need' to take precautions and conflating a legal position and a common sense one.

The government has missed out on common sense in many of its decisions and its recent decision to allow night clubs to open unrestricted until October when they will then be forced to check for Covid jabs is a classic example of this. What makes their decision more daft is that the rates are likely (hopefully) going to be lower by then.

People like me are not asking for lockdowns , but are asking for people to think about the many who are vulnerable. Wearing a mask should not be an issue for most.

I agree with this generally but what's the point in asking the scientists?

They've generally been pretty wrong and you don't need to Brain of Britain to say that if you have a lockdown less people are going to catch it.

All they would be looking for is confirmation of the above.

 

[Albion Dan]

Where have PHE stated that? Certainly not in that. PHE are not saying vaccines are 100% effective, I don't think they ever have.

Am I going mad or is this the first paragraph?

There are early signs that people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 may be able to transmit the Delta variant of the virus as easily as those who have not, scientists at Public Health England (PHE) said on Friday.

 

[Albion Dan]

The actual inventor of the MRNA vaccine is now casting doubts on its effectiveness

https://twitter.com/rwmalonemd/status/1424069313590292483?s=21

 

[e77]

Am I going mad or is this the first paragraph?

There are early signs that people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 may be able to transmit the Delta variant of the virus as easily as those who have not, scientists at Public Health England (PHE) said on Friday.

But as the vaccine makes you less likely to get it, then vaccinated people are less likely to pass it on.

 

[Albion Dan]

But as the vaccine makes you less likely to get it, then vaccinated people are less likely to pass it on.

Is that actually true with Delta? I’m not sure it’s proven at all?