Albion Dan
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Stop this nonsense of Covid passports, ID and masks
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Why yes it is.
Let me Google that for you
Seems to mention PHE (who I imagine have quite a lot of people in who are highly educated
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Lower West Stander
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Because we live in a free country where debate is encouraged?
Albion Dan
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Why yes it is.
Let me Google that for you
Seems to mention PHE (who I imagine have quite a lot of people in who are highly educated
That says it is effective against preventing symptomatic effects not that it stops you catching it:
Wednesday's study found that two doses of Pfizer's shot was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, compared to 93.7% against the Alpha variant, broadly the same as previously reported.
At the end of the day the guy who invented the vaccine tech is questioning its effectiveness now but people would rather just put their heads in the sand.
Did you stop there and not scroll down?
Two shots of AstraZeneca vaccine were 67% effective against the Delta variant, up from 60% originally reported, and 74.5% effective against the Alpha variant, compared to an original estimate of 66% effectiveness.
Albion Dan
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That doesn’t say anything about catching or transmission? I’m not disagreeing it prevents serious illness btw.
If we aren't sure then shouldn't everyone be wearing face coverings in enclosed public spaces then?
Baldseagull
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Debate is welcomed where there is reasonable grounds for differing opinion, debating whether the earth is flat or largely spherical is not worth having.
Explain to me how, if I don't have Covid -19, I can infect someone else with it?
Lower West Stander
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So who decides what is and what is not a valid debate?
Albion Dan
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Latest info coming out of Israel. Almost all hospitalisation are fully vaccinated so of course covid pass is absolutely essential.
https://m.theepochtimes.com/majorit...or_3937497.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true
https://m.theepochtimes.com/majorit...or_3937497.html/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Baldseagull
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To be infectious, the virus has to be replicating at a high rate within your body. Anyone with antibodies will be able to slow and hopefully stop that reproduction sooner.
The only danger is that vaccinated persons may be taking less precautions, and therefore be spreading/catching the virus more easily than they would have done with precautions like frequent hand washing, wearing a mask on and keeping distance.
Albion Dan
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From Israel:
Data from the Israeli Minister of Health in July suggested that the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in preventing infection and symptomatic illness had dropped from 90 percent to only 39 percent and 41 percent, respectively. However, the levels of protection against severe illness (88 percent) and hospitalization (91.4 percent) remained high.
The important thing here is it stops people dying but what is absolutely becoming clear is this crusade to vaccinate every last soul and cast out anyone who wants to abstain is based entirely in political drive and long term profit over anything else.
I'm sure you think no one will ever read your tiresome and tenuous links.
That is not data. That is ONE doctor's guess. A doctor who works at an old people's hospital. The vast majority of old people are vaccinated in Israel so the vast majority in an OLD PEOPLE'S hospital are bound to be vaccinated. No one said it was 100% efficient. That's clear from the stats I've already quoted you.
Nice choice of source as well, This made me laugh.
"Haviv said the rising cases of vaccinated people getting COVID-19, a disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus"
For anyone reading this who is a little concerned our very own JVT has said that it is obvious that as more people get vaccinated the proportion of vaccinated people in hospital will increase.
However, I point you to the greatly reduced case numbers, relative hospitalisations overall and proportion of deaths as evidence of the efficacy of the vaccine.
When the seatbelt law was introduced many complained. It wasn't the fact that adults had to take care of themselves, but they had to make sure their passengers and possibly more importantly their children were safe. There were those that moaned what about fires in cars and being trapped. All complete rubbish. These the vast majority now put their seatbelt on instinctively. Obviously there's still the idiots that believe it doesn't apply to them but they're the ones face planting windscreens.
Deleted member 37369
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Posts mislead on Israel vaccine data
"Since the start of the pandemic, experts have pointed out that vaccines are not 100% effective. In a July 5 statement, Israel’s Ministry of Health addressed the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine in light of the spreading delta variant and said, “the vaccine maintains an effectiveness rate of about 93% in preventing serious illness and hospitalization cases.”
Associated Press - Fact Checking ...
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-644288348135
99.5% of covid deaths in US unvaccinated individuals. Slightly more reliable source too.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cdc-data-covid-deaths-vaccines-b1881306.html
Neville's Breakfast
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Why has this thread turned into a backwoods,hillbilly, Covid and vaccine denial fest ? Oh yes, I know.
Should be in the Covid sub forum by now.
Should be in the Covid sub forum by now.
Baldseagull
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You have to be careful in how you read and understand the text.
The doctor saying 80% of the hospitalisations for covid in his hospital, works at a hospital that specialises in care for the elderly.
The article doesn't say this, but I believe more than 90% of Israelis over the age of 65 have been vaccinated,
The article does say "Despite the rise in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations, experts say it is lower than earlier waves and the fatality rates have remained low."
Elderly people are still most at risk, if an 80 year old has the vaccine, statistically he is now at the same risk as a 50 year old, a vaccinated 50 year old is statistically equivalent to an unvaccinated 30 year old. If the entire population is vaccinated, 100% of hospitalisations for covid will be of vaccinated people, because the vaccine is not 100% effective, it has never been claimed to be so.
If everyone over 30 had the vaccine, and no one under 30, assuming equal infection rates, the majority of hospitalisations would be in the vaccinated population, as everyone over 50 would be at a higher risk still than a 30 year old.