[Politics] Stop the boats

[Is it PotG?]

I really don't think that the sum of their ambition is claiming benefits and watching TV all day whilst moaning, whining and posting about 'other' people who have had none of the benefits of being born and educated in Britain doing far better than them. All of the people I have met who have arrived via Asylum have been incredible grateful, hard working, ambitious and successful when they were given the chance. Just the sort of people Britain desperately need.

Well there's NHS, Care Industry, Agriculture, Hospitality etc and all those other industries that can't recruit and are dragging the economy down since your wonderful Brexit win.

If this is the sort of stuff you've been posting all night it saves me time bothering to read it

Would love to hear from successful and headhunted businessmen, such as yourself, how long training in these industries might take, in addition to the language and culture changes.

The women and kids, would they be sent up the chimneys to work?

The inference was that a few forms then everyone can all go off working and contributing.

You failed to answer what would happen should one hapless soul refuse to work.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I really don't think that the sum of their ambition is claiming benefits and watching TV all day whilst moaning, whining and posting about 'other' people who have had none of the benefits of being born and educated in Britain doing far better than them. All of the people I have met who have arrived via Asylum have been incredible grateful, hard working, ambitious and successful when they were given the chance. Just the sort of people Britain desperately need.

Well there's NHS, Care Industry, Agriculture, Hospitality etc and all those other industries that can't recruit and are dragging the economy down since your wonderful Brexit win.

If this is the sort of stuff you've been posting all night it saves me time bothering to read it

One case in point.
Last year the postmen/women went on strike because of changes in working practices were to their detriment, but failed to get the changes stopped.
On Saturday morning, my husband called into our local sorting office just after 8am, because we haven’t had any post for 10 days. We knew we had post due, his from a hospital with spare parts for medical equipment and me for a significant day. There was a large bundle of mail. They apologised, explaining there are 14 rounds in the area, but only six posties now. Our particular postie was on holiday.
There are large gaps in the labour market and we need immigrants to fill them , paying tax to pay out pensions, but all this government can see is how much profit can be creamed off for them. Even the hotels are owned by a Tory donor.

 

[BadFish]

What sort of % do you think will be 1) able and 2) willing to work to generate this contribution?

What sort of jobs? Manual, skilled?

Without any evidence to the contrary I would assume that the vast majority would be willing and most would be able.

What makes you think they wouldn't?

 

[The Clamp]

What sort of % do you think will be 1) able and 2) willing to work to generate this contribution?

What sort of jobs? Manual, skilled?

A huge number of asylum seekers are professional people. Lawyers, health professionals, teachers, tradesmen, architects etc.

And many are manual and skilled workers.

A diverse workforce who had real lives and jobs before their world was upset by war / famine / persecution etc

 

[The Fits]

Edit. Definitely wrong thread

 

[AK74]

The exponential increase in the number riders working for Deliveroo, Just Eat, Uber Eats etc. in the B&H area suggests many recent arrivals are very willing to work.

There's a difference between large groups of [mostly] men hanging around in central parts of a city/town looking shifty, and large groups of [mostly] men sitting on scooters outside restaurants/takeaways waiting for the chance to earn a few pounds by bringing food/drink to whoever's placed the order.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A huge number of asylum seekers are professional people. Lawyers, health professionals, teachers, tradesmen, architects etc.

And many are manual and skilled workers.

A diverse workforce who had real lives and jobs before their world was upset by war / famine / persecution etc

Hence why many of them can speak English. Educated people.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Edit - removed as neither clever or amusing.

 

[Randy McNob]

On the contrary, it would be sensible and safer to claim asylum in the country next door, if safe to do so, and then move on to their desired destination, if approved by the destination country.
It makes no sense at all for asylum seekers from Albania and Afghanistan, which together comprise nearly 50% of asylum seekers in the UK, to enter Europe at its southern border, travel illegally (since they haven't claimed asylum) all the way to the channel and risk their lives crossing in small boats to claim asylum in the UK.

Again, it is not illegal. If it were they would arrested, charged and deported. They aren't because again, they haven't committed a crime

and by your logic, the UK only has an obligation to help refugees if war broke out in Ireland

 

[Seagull58]

The Tory’s removed that facility. Now they have no choice but to take dangerous routes.

And there is no such thing as “travelling illegally”.

But there is. If you enter a country without permission e.g. without a visa, and do not claim asylum you are there illegally and subject to arrest and deportation.

 

[Seagull58]

Errrr, have you looked at where Albania is on a map?

Yes, it's right next to Montenegro and Corfu, which is Greek, so the most sensible and safest action if they are fleeing persecution in Albania is to claim asylum in Montenegro or Greece or even Italy, rather than illegally travelling through Europe to get to the UK.

 

[Seagull58]

The Tory’s removed that facility. Now they have no choice but to take dangerous routes.

And there is no such thing as “travelling illegally”.

The Tories have not removed the facility for them to claim asylum in the first safe country they arrive at.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

It is the Tories though who've closed off all 'safe and legal' routes to the UK for most people,

So how did the 500,000 net get here last year?

 

[Seagull58]

Well yes that was an idea too, trouble is it doesn't work. Some countries dont take their fair share. Some countries use the problem as political capital and shut down the processing and transporting you speak of.

How does the UN refugee council deal with such counties? Well they make it legal to claim asylum in any country the seekers choose, if they can get there of course.

I am beginning to think that the questions you have been asking on this thread are a little more loaded than they appear. You seem to have taken a position on this subject already.

My position is simply that it would be safer, and cheaper, for them to claim asylum as soon as they arrive in Southern Europe so that they are processed and legalised and their asylum claims can be assessed. Exactly what the Ukrainian refugees have done in Poland.

 

[BadFish]

My position is simply that it would be safer, and cheaper, for them to claim asylum as soon as they arrive in Southern Europe so that they are processed and legalised and their asylum claims can be assessed. Exactly what the Ukrainian refugees have done in Poland.

And it would have been cheaper and easier for you to migrate to France instead of Portugal.

 

[Seagull58]

Getting the backlog down would be a start, inflating this is something the Tories have been keen to Engineer.

A hard reality is invalid asylum claims are a small fraction of the total net immigration figure in the UK. A figure that has doubled posted Brexit

Incidentally any news on stopping lady Mone’s boat?

Rejected claims are 26% of total claims.

 

[Seagull58]

And it would have been cheaper and easier for you to migrate to France instead of Portugal.

No, it absolutely wouldn't It was much easier and cheaper for me to get an immigration visa for Portugal. The tax rates and cost of living are also lower here for immigrants.

 

[BadFish]

No, it absolutely wouldn't It was much easier and cheaper for me to get an immigration visa for Portugal. The tax rates and cost of living are also lower here for immigrants.

No I disagree, it would have easier and cheaper for you to move to france. Why didn't you?

You sound like one of those economic migrants taking advantage of a soft touch country instead of going to the most logical country.

 

[nicko31]

Rejected claims are 26% of total claims.

So we're talking about 15k illegals, tiny compared to 600k net legal migration.

The only crisis is Engineered by the government to process claims as slow as possible in the desperate attempt is get gammons angry

 

[Seagull58]

Well yes that was an idea too, trouble is it doesn't work. Some countries dont take their fair share. Some countries use the problem as political capital and shut down the processing and transporting you speak of.

How does the UN refugee council deal with such counties? Well they make it legal to claim asylum in any country the seekers choose, if they can get there of course.

I am beginning to think that the questions you have been asking on this thread are a little more loaded than they appear. You seem to have taken a position on this subject already.

You say it doesn't work but the alternative is crossing the channel in small boats using whatever savings they have and with hundreds of deaths. That option doesn't seem to be working too well either.