[Politics] Stop the boats

[BadFish]

You say it doesn't work but the alternative is crossing the channel in small boats using whatever savings they have and with hundreds of deaths. That option doesn't seem to be working too well either.

Neither work because the UK government have convinced the hard of thinking that asylum seekers and immigrants (like us) are the end of days.

Maybe another philosophy is needed. Doesn't win votes though.

 

[Seagull58]

Again, it is not illegal. If it were they would arrested, charged and deported. They aren't because again, they haven't committed a crime

and by your logic, the UK only has an obligation to help refugees if war broke out in Ireland

no. I suggested they should claim asylum in the first safe country and then go through the legal process that Ukrainian refugees in Poland use if they wish to migrate elsewhere. I understand that net immigration to the UK was 600,000 last year, demonstrating that there is a legal means of getting here.

 

[trueblue]

So how did the 500,000 net get here last year?

Well, some were Ukrainian and Afghan refugees as mentioned. And beyond those, I assume that, for effect, you're deliberately confusing asylum seekers with all migrants to the country. Ones that are not fleeing persecution but come here with visas to help fill all the vacancies we've been left with in our ageing workforce. Unless you genuinely don't know the difference. Have a nose around this website if you fancy looking beyond political rhetoric; https://fullfact.org/

 

[Seagull58]

No I disagree, it would have easier and cheaper for you to move to france. Why didn't you?

You sound like one of those economic migrants taking advantage of a soft touch country instead of going to the most logical country.

It would absolutely not have been easier and cheaper for me to emigrate to France. A retirement visa in Porrugal requires that you have an income less than half that required for France. It's a 2 hour direct flight from London to Portugal.
Yes, I am indeed an economic migrant, not an asylum seeker, and I chose to emigrate to a particular country for visa, economic and lifestyle reasons.
Why on earth is it "more logical" for me to emigrate to France? Quite bizarre.

 

[Seagull58]

Well, some were Ukrainian and Afghan refugees as mentioned. And beyond those, I assume that, for effect, you're deliberately confusing asylum seekers with all migrants to the country. Ones that are not fleeing persecution but come here with visas to help fill all the vacancies we've been left with in our ageing workforce. Unless you genuinely don't know the difference. Have a nose around this website if you fancy looking beyond political rhetoric; https://fullfact.org/

wrong post

 

[BadFish]

It would absolutely not have been easier and cheaper for me to emigrate to France. A retirement visa in Porrugal requires that you have an income less than half that required for France. It's a 2 hour direct flight from London to Portugal.
Yes, I am indeed an economic migrant, not an asylum seeker, and I chose to emigrate to a particular country for visa, economic and lifestyle reasons.
Why on earth is it "more logical" for me to emigrate to France? Quite bizarre.

Because it is closer to where you left. That is the only important factor in deciding where you should go.

You should have gone to France, Normandy really. I can't understand why you went to Portugal.

 

[Seagull58]

Because it is closer to where you left. That is the only important factor in deciding where you should go.

You should have gone to France, Normandy really. I can't understand why you went to Portugal.

I was living in South Africa when I emigrated to Portugal but that is irrelevant. It was possible for me to get an immigration visa for Portugal because I met the financial requirement, which I did not for France. If I had been living in the UK and was being persecuted then it would, of course, have made sense to go to France or Ireland and claim asylum rather than travelling all the way across Europe to claim asylum in Greece or Montenegro. Just as it is very sensible for Albanian refugees to claim asylum in Greece or Montenegro rather than travelling, undocumented and therefore illegally, all the way to the UK.

 

[trueblue]

wrong post

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[BadFish]

I was living in South Africa when I emigrated to Portugal but that is irrelevant. It was possible for me to get an immigration visa for Portugal because I met the financial requirement, which I did not for France. If I had been living in the UK and was being persecuted then it would, of course, have made sense to go to France or Ireland and claim asylum rather than travelling all the way across Europe to claim asylum in Greece or Montenegro. Just as it is very sensible for Albanian refugees to claim asylum in Greece or Montenegro rather than travelling, undocumented and therefore illegally, all the way to the UK.

It is only sensible for you to go to France.

No idea why you went to Portugal.

 

[Seagull58]

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I replied to the wrong post

 

[Seagull58]

It is only sensible for you to go to France.

No idea why you went to Portugal.

Now you're just talking nonsense. I've already told you why I went to Portugal. If I had been an asylum seeker I would have made a different decision.
Edit; As I explained previously, my retirement income satisfied the threshold for a Portuguese visa but not for a French visa.

 

[BadFish]

Now you're just talking nonsense. I've already told you why I went to Portugal. If I had been an asylum seeker I would have made a different decision.

The only sensible option was for you to go to your nearest country . . . France.

Why else would anyone migrate to any other country than the one closest to them?

I came all the way to Australia. . . Madness!

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I was living in South Africa when I emigrated to Portugal but that is irrelevant.

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[Seagull58]

The only sensible option was for you to go to your nearest country . . . France.

Why else would anyone migrate to any other country than the one closest to them?

I came all the way to Australia. . . Madness!

You're a migrant like me and so you fully understand the difference but you're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Seagull58]

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Oh sorry, excuse me a moment.

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Why is that funny?

 

[BadFish]

You're a migrant like me and so you fully understand the difference but you're being deliberately obtuse.

Yes I fully understand that there are many many reasons people choose to move to a country other than the one closest to them.

I also understand why we wouldn't want everyone to move to their nearest country.

You appear to be pretending you don't (although I am still unsure if you are being obtuse deliberately or not).

But I think that you should have definately have moved to France.

 

[Seagull58]

Yes I fully understand that there are many many reasons people choose to move to a country other than the one closest to them.

I also understand why we wouldn't want everyone to move to their nearest country.

You appear to be pretending you don't (although I am still unsure if you are being obtuse deliberately or not).

But I think that you should have definately have moved to France.

You are deliberately ignoring the difference between an economic migrant going through the official channel to move to another country and an asylum seeker fleeing persecution. You are also ignoring that I put forward the alternative of claiming asylum in country A and then migrating to country B.

 

[BadFish]

You are deliberately ignoring the difference between an economic migrant going through the official channel to move to another country and an asylum seeker fleeing persecution. You are also ignoring that I put forward the alternative of claiming asylum in country A and then migrating to country B.

All I know is that it would have been sensible for you to move to your nearest country.

Why go anywhere else?

 

[Zebedee]

Immediately, start processing the asylum claims. Once cleared, they can start work and contribute to the economy. That in itself will help to pay for more Home Office staff to get the backlog down.
Yes, those whose claims are turned down are deported.

Yippee. Lots more taxi drivers. I can't wait.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Would love to hear from successful and headhunted businessmen, such as yourself, how long training in these industries might take, in addition to the language and culture changes.

The women and kids, would they be sent up the chimneys to work?

The inference was that a few forms then everyone can all go off working and contributing.

You failed to answer what would happen should one hapless soul refuse to work.

Sorry for the long delay, I've been playing in a football tournament. Luckily , my mate who drove me to the tournament arrived in Britain as an Asylum Seeker some years back, so I asked him.

When he arrived, he started and then ran a number of businesses in the north east before retiring and moving to Brighton 8 years ago. His wife has worked as a healthcare specialist for the NHS for nearly 40 years (and still does), whilst his 3 children all work full time, one in the NHS and another running a small business that employs about a dozen staff. He said that initially the language and cultural differences were hard, but he was determined to take up the opportunity he'd been offered.

If you have more questions for him, I should see him later this week.

He did ask why all the questions, but I really didn't want to embarrass you so didn't tell him