[Politics] Stop the boats

[Eric the meek]

Apologies if this is fixtures, but as this is a 'stop the boats' thread, is there any evidence that supports putting the occupants of the boats on a barge with legionella bacteria?

Does exposing migrants / asylum seekers to deadly legionnaire's disease, actually stop further boats from landing? Is this barge the best use of the taxpayers' money?
This needs to be addressed to the treasury, Office for Budget Responsibility, and Conservative Central Orifice.

 

[drew]

I've been asking a similar question; why are they so keen to come to the UK rather than claiming asylum in Greece, Italy, France or wherever they first landed in a "safe" country. Apparently, "they are not obliged to claim asylum in the first safe country" and "it is their legal right to try to claim asylum in the UK". So, it's all the Tories fault. All clear now?

 

[Seagull58]

I’m intrigued how you can claim something is happening but can’t provide the evidence to back your statement up. Still I’m not surprised someone who thinks they know how the international movement of people works better than the UN does can be so confident in their bluster and BS.

As others have said, another for the ignore list.

It seems the answer is that a little under 20% have been declared as economic migrants, not genuine asylum seekers.

 

[Randy McNob]

I've been asking a similar question; why are they so keen to come to the UK rather than claiming asylum in Greece, Italy, France or wherever they first landed in a "safe" country. Apparently, "they are not obliged to claim asylum in the first safe country" and "it is their legal right to try to claim asylum in the UK". So, it's all the Tories fault. All clear now?

Asylum seekers can apply in any country, not the first. Why should Italy and Greece take all the burden and we wash our hands and turn our backs to desperate people? They may have connections / family / speak the language or a host of reasons to claim asylum here. It is their right and we have an asylum policy where we are supposed to offer sanctuary to these people. Our relationship with France is to stop the boats, not co-operate on making a safe route to the UK. If an asylum seeker is trying to get to the UK to claim asylum why is that France's problem? Nothing they are doing is illegal, they are not entering the country illegally, they have a legal right under international law. It is the Tories who are the criminals, their crackpot Rwanda plan was deemed illegal by the high court.

As Watford pointed out the numbers started increasing rapidly since 2016, around the time of the Brexit vote where the Tories lurched to the far right. It's no coincidence, they have enginered this issue and made it a hot topic to sway voters into an anti foreigner stance. They have no intention of stopping boats, they want it to continue to keep their support base onside. The Tories are absolute scum and the next election cannot come soon enough

 

[The Clamp]

It seems the answer is that a little under 20% have been declared as economic migrants, not genuine asylum seekers.

It seems.

But you made your initial claim without any proof. It took another poster to do that for you.

It does rather give the impression that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[allystrat]

Take this political squabbling to the `Bear Pit please.

 

[Randy McNob]

Take this political squabbling to the `Bear Pit please.

not squabbling, it's a healthy debate

 

[Seagull58]

It seems.

But you made your initial claim without any proof. It took another poster to do that for you.

It does rather give the impression that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I didn't make a "claim", as I have previously made clear. I said "I suspect" and "maybe", and then asked for numbers, which were provided. I have almost exclusively been asking for information on this thread, not making claims but it seems I have to be pigeonholed into a pro-Tory or anti-Tory camp by some of the other posters.

 

[Seagull58]

Asylum seekers can apply in any country, not the first. Why should Italy and Greece take all the burden and we wash our hands and turn our backs to desperate people? They may have connections / family / speak the language or a host of reasons to claim asylum here. It is their right and we have an asylum policy where we are supposed to offer sanctuary to these people. Our relationship with France is to stop the boats, not co-operate on making a safe route to the UK. If an asylum seeker is trying to get to the UK to claim asylum why is that France's problem? Nothing they are doing is illegal, they are not entering the country illegally, they have a legal right under international law. It is the Tories who are the criminals, their crackpot Rwanda plan was deemed illegal by the high court.

As Watford pointed out the numbers started increasing rapidly since 2016, around the time of the Brexit vote where the Tories lurched to the far right. It's no coincidence, they have enginered this issue and made it a hot topic to sway voters into an anti foreigner stance. They have no intention of stopping boats, they want it to continue to keep their support base onside. The Tories are absolute scum and the next election cannot come soon enough

It is a criminal offence to knowingly arrive in the UK without a valid entry clearance when one is required. You could face up to 4 years in jail and be removed to a safe country if you arrive illegally

Under section 40 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 (NABA), it is difficult for a person to arrive in the UK without a visa.

As there is no such thing as an ‘asylum visa’, this law will apply to almost all asylum seekers entering the UK. From 28 July 2022 onwards, anybody who enters the UK (without a visa) and claims asylum will be going against this law. This offence carries a maximum sentence of 4 years (5 years for people who re-enter the UK in breach of a deportation order).

The most important thing to remember is that, even though these laws are difficult, many people successfully claim asylum in the UK each year. In the year ending June 2022, 76% of initial Home Office decisions on applications resulted in the grant of refugee status or some other form of protection. This means that the UK Home Office – the government department responsible for immigration and borders – found people’s asylum claims legitimate even though they may have entered the UK through ‘irregular’ means. A legitimate claim is one that is genuine.

There are between 594,000 and 745,000 illegal immigrants in UK. In contrast a total of approximately 45,000 people came in on small boats in the calendar year 2022. In the year ending March 2023, almost half of small boat arrivals were from 2 nationalities - Albanians (28%) and Afghans (20%)

 

[GT49er]

not squabbling, it's a healthy debate

Healthy? No....plenty of vitriolic rhetoric, lecturing, hectoring and self-righteousness.....
Debate? No.... just plenty more vitriolic rhetoric, lecturing, hectoring, etc, etc, etc....

Bearpit ot now. The Brexit thread and the Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]... thread are still up on the main board for those who want to lecture the rest of us who are more centrist than they are. Exactly the same points are being re-iterated in perpetuam on those threads - no need for yet another thread.

P.S. I'm aware that this post will provoke outrage from some. I know who they are, and so do they - so nothing new worth saying!

 

[The Clamp]

Always the same people crying out for the same topics to be moved to the pit.

Once they’ve spent a few pages bickering and expressing their opinion of course

But yeah, move it to the pit. I kind of agree on this one.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Healthy? No....plenty of vitriolic rhetoric, lecturing, hectoring and self-righteousness.....
Debate? No.... just plenty more vitriolic rhetoric, lecturing, hectoring, etc, etc, etc....

Bearpit ot now. The Brexit thread and the Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]... thread are still up on the main board for those who want to lecture the rest of us who are more centrist than they are. Exactly the same points are being re-iterated in perpetuam on those threads - no need for yet another thread.

P.S. I'm aware that this post will provoke outrage from some. I know who they are, and so do they - so nothing new worth saying!

Bozza specifically started a forum for Albion threads only. You can avoid the political threats quite easily, but you don’t because you usually want to wade in to scold those who do post their opinions,

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It is a criminal offence to knowingly arrive in the UK without a valid entry clearance when one is required. You could face up to 4 years in jail and be removed to a safe country if you arrive illegally

Under section 40 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 (NABA), it is difficult for a person to arrive in the UK without a visa.

As there is no such thing as an ‘asylum visa’, this law will apply to almost all asylum seekers entering the UK. From 28 July 2022 onwards, anybody who enters the UK (without a visa) and claims asylum will be going against this law. This offence carries a maximum sentence of 4 years (5 years for people who re-enter the UK in breach of a deportation order).

The most important thing to remember is that, even though these laws are difficult, many people successfully claim asylum in the UK each year. In the year ending June 2022, 76% of initial Home Office decisions on applications resulted in the grant of refugee status or some other form of protection. This means that the UK Home Office – the government department responsible for immigration and borders – found people’s asylum claims legitimate even though they may have entered the UK through ‘irregular’ means. A legitimate claim is one that is genuine.

There are between 594,000 and 745,000 illegal immigrants in UK. In contrast a total of approximately 45,000 people came in on small boats in the calendar year 2022. In the year ending March 2023, almost half of small boat arrivals were from 2 nationalities - Albanians (28%) and Afghans (20%)

That is British law passed by the present government but it doesn’t trump international law as agreed with the United Nations.
Britain is a pariah state, twice warned by the UN, for asylum seekers, and for starving children,

 

[The Clamp]

Contractors told about legionella on day asylum seekers boarded barge

Dorset council says it flagged test results about potentially deadly bacteria on Monday, but evacuation didn’t take place until four days later

www.theguardian.com

 

[BadFish]

I said 'what I suspect" and I then said "or they may be".
I did not "claim" that they were.
However, haven't there already been hundreds of asylum seekers adjudged to be economic migrants and held for deportation?

Why don't you go and look at the numbers? All the figures are available if you are interested. You can easily find the % of processed claims that have been rejected.

You can also find the answers to your question about why different people choose different countries in which to claim asylum.

Keep looking at you'll find the reason the reason international law states that asylum seekers don't have to claim asylum in the first safe country they come to. The answer is bleeding obvious of course but a little reading may help on this one.

 

[BadFish]

It feels like the same question have been asked on these threads for ten years.

Almost like the source of some people's information on the subject doesn't give an accurate or complete understanding of the situation.

 

[clapham_gull]

The only people who can't see how the current government has engineered the crises to gain the "popular" vote will vote Conservative at the next election.

I've never understood why people bother with UFOs, crop circles and 9/11 conspiracies when the actual one is being played in front of us now.

 

[BadFish]

The only people who can't see how the current government has engineered the crises to gain the "popular" vote will vote Conservative at the next election.

I've never understood why people bother with UFOs, crop circles and 9/11 conspiracies when the actual one is being played in front of us now.

The mere fact that the government claim to be the only party to solve this problem should have alarm bells ringing.

 

[Seagull58]

That is British law passed by the present government but it doesn’t trump international law as agreed with the United Nations.
Britain is a pariah state, twice warned by the UN, for asylum seekers, and for starving children,

LOL.

 

[Seagull58]

Why don't you go and look at the numbers? All the figures are available if you are interested. You can easily find the % of processed claims that have been rejected.

You can also find the answers to your question about why different people choose different countries in which to claim asylum.

Keep looking at you'll find the reason the reason international law states that asylum seekers don't have to claim asylum in the first safe country they come to. The answer is bleeding obvious of course but a little reading may help on this one.

I have found some answers, thanks. Of those processed, 24%have been rejected. 28% of arrivals were Albanians and 20% Afghans in the year to March 6th 2023.
What is the bleeding obvious answer?