Stand up for poppies

[Storer 68]

What a load of fuss. I'll join FIFA in not allowing it. I'm a big supporter of remembrance day, but I don't think FIFA should have to choose which days to endorse as, like others have said, it will put them in a difficult position when other countries want to do something closer to the line. It sounds like plenty will be done on the day.

ALL those that have fallen? So does that include Hitler? I'm sure there were good men that fell on all sides, but there were certainly some evil men that fell too. I'm a little more choosy about whom I remember.

ah, but Hitler survived the First World War so wasn't included in the origianl criteria. And he didn't "fall", he committed suicide, so would not count even now

 

[beardy gull]

Although an international match, between teams selcted on the geographical birthplace of the player) doesn't really fit very neatly with the anti racism stance.

What?

 

[Simster]

What?

Indeed. Bollocks argument.

 

[Gangsta]

Football is a world game, so whilst anti-racism is political, it also fits in neatly with football's position as the world's most popular sport. There is literally nothing contentious about anti-racism is there?

Its political so breaks their rule, the rule which they are saying is the only reason they will not accept poppies on the shirts. The FIFA should man-up, turn up in poppy shirts, ref abandons game, FA take FIFA to court for lost revenue citing said game above, win case.

 

[Triggaaar]

he didn't "fall", he committed suicide, so would not count even now

So are we not supposed to remember men that lost their minds whilst fighting for our freedom, gave up hope and killed themselves? But we are to remember the evil members (ie, I'm not referring to all members) of Hitler's war machine that did fall?

 

[Storer 68]

So are we not supposed to remember men that lost their minds whilst fighting for our freedom, gave up hope and killed themselves? But we are to remember the evil members (ie, I'm not referring to all members) of Hitler's war machine that did fall?

Were they not men ? (or in the last phase of the war BOYS)

Langemarck Cemetry - Once you enter the cemetrery there is an inscription on a flat stone with a sculpted wreath. This records the 44,061 men buried here. Ahead is the mass grave of nearly 25,000 men. The names of those known to be buried here are recorded on eighty-six upright bronze panels beyond this entrance

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Ahem, the RED poppy is not a symbol of peace. It says I remember those fallen on our side and am not against war. The WHITE poppy says you're against ALL war and remember those fallen on both sides, yes that includes civilians. I'll be wearing the white thanks.

The white poppy is at best ill informed and at worse an abomination because it is a political device that has hijacked the Act of Remembrance. I’m ex-services and it doesn’t just mean Brits, a quick walk around El-Alamien would show you the number of Muslims and Hindu’s of the Indian army that died in North Africa.

Civilians? Well if you care to watch the march past of the Cenotaph on Sunday you’ll note that many laying wreaths were civilians who worked as Fire Wardens, Ambulance drivers etc.

The enemy dead. A dear old chap I knew fought in the North African campaign and he used to say that the dead of all sides should have been buried together because as far as he was concerned you’d wouldn’t fine better men.

Remember them all because they are a stark reminder of the failure of the political progress, they highlight the greed and envy of those who should know better.

 

[beardy gull]

"There are other ways to honour the poppy than by wearing it on a shirt. The FA has helped us explore every alternative available and we are satisfied that England will enter the competition knowing they have shown proper respect for our Armed Forces." - Chris Simpkins, Director General of The Royal British Legion.

....and relax.

 

[keaton]

Guess it is because we have not played around Armistice day before?

Actually F365 point out we player Brazil this time of year, three years ago and there was none of this fuss. They also have a good quote

"There are other ways to honour the poppy than by wearing it on a shirt. The FA has helped us explore every alternative available and we are satisfied that England will enter the competition knowing they have shown proper respect for our Armed Forces."


Chris Simpkins, Director General of The Royal British Legion

If he's not whinging why is everyone else?

 

[terryberry1]

Its all just an attempt by Septic Fatter to f*** off the English even more than he already has. Absolute ****

 

[Hillian1]

Its all just an attempt by Septic Fatter to f*** off the English even more than he already has. Absolute ****

Blatter is an absolute **** on that you are right, but the wearing of a Poppy would leave the door open for other nations wanting to use there own symbols as either political or religious point scoring.
As I said earlier, should Iran decide to wear "Allah Bless our Holy Martyrs" It would inflame already tense areas of the world.

 

[Falkor]

Am i the only that is not sure why black arm bands are allowed but a poppy is not. Surely there both stating the same point.

 

[beardy gull]

Am i the only that is not sure why black arm bands are allowed but a poppy is not. Surely there both stating the same point.

I'd imagine you are. The black armbands are not part of the kit.

 

[Falkor]

I'd imagine you are. The black armbands are not part of the kit.

Yeah but the argument is not really about altering the kit but the point were making. There saying were making a political point but were not its one of remembrance, which the black arm band does the same as.

I really can't understand fifa argument, there will be a minutes silence which will be shown world wide, a reef laying on the pitch which will also be shown world wide and players warming up that tv crews will make sure is shown world wide. So everyone who fifa believe might be offended or get an idea is going to see it any way. So really what harm is it going to do allowing on a kit.

 

[beardy gull]

Yeah but the argument is not really about altering the kit but the point were making. There saying were making a political point but were not its one of remembrance, which the black arm band does the same as.

I really can't understand fifa argument, there will be a minutes silence which will be shown world wide, a reef laying on the pitch which will also be shown world wide and players warming up that tv crews will make sure is shown world wide. So everyone who fifa believe might be offended or get an idea is going to see it any way. So really what harm is it going to do allowing on a kit.

Yes, it is exactly about altering the kit. We, and every other country in FIFA, are not allowed to.

 

[W.C.]

As much as I agree with this, and I do before anyone starts flaming, I was listening to someone on TV the other day who pointed out that if FIFA allow England to do this then what is to stop Iran from having "Allah bless our holy martyrs" or some such gubbins on theirs.

Just made me think a little about how inflammatory this would be.

Exactly.

Sorry, but I think it's a real shame this is being made in to a massive issue. There are so many ways in which people can show their respect, including the team, the FA, fans, etc.

All this indignation and anger isn't necessary on the eve of remembrance Sunday.

 

[Crennis]

Sky News live blog on the student protests just mentioned that the EDL are claiming to be on the roof of FIFA HQ with a poppy banner...

 

[Hillian1]

Sky News live blog on the student protests just mentioned that the EDL are claiming to be on the roof of FIFA HQ with a poppy banner...

This will not help.

 

[Falkor]

Bloody EDL idiots, fine remembrance this is turning out to be

 

[Jesus Gul]

I think an embroided red pansy would be more fitting for some of the players.

I'm with FIFA on this. Whilst the poppy may be a symbol of rememberance for all who fell there is undoubtedly a strong nationalist undercurrent/mis-interpretation.