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steward 433

Back and better
Nov 4, 2007
9,512
Brighton
The reason such a credible company has taken it on is because it IS frigging hard to raise that amount of money at any time let alone now.

Otherwise DK would of popped into the Halifax Huilding Society ATM and withdrawn £20 million in £20 notes and had the diggers in by now !!

If only DK had that amount just sitting in the bank!
 






algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
OR... those tough negotiations are on-going, having already taken place over the past few months and years.
I'm seriously considering opening up a new business and wondered if you could give me some usefull tips on how to be successfull?
 




Uncle Buck

Ghost Writer
Jul 7, 2003
28,075
au contraire

My father worked as a consultant for Coopers in London and there was a certain kudos in taking on jobs that they could bring in on budget when all hope was lost. Not that all hope is lost with Falmer, but I think there is a lot of nievity about if people think that this downturn will not affect us!!

But Steward says it will not affect us.
 




countrygull

Active member
Jul 22, 2003
1,114
Horsham
I really don't think Price Waterhouse Coopers would have taken it on if they had too many doubts as would they really risk ruining their reputation??

Could I say, with respect Steward 433, that before I re-enter the serious part of this discussion thread, that you do not have the slightest clue what you are talking about in terms of the financial world (and much else besides). Price Waterhouse Coopers have a job to do. They build risk and doubt into everything they do. But their job is assurance at the end of the day. It is how they make money. A year (and more) ago, the stadium was a straightforward project. All going smoothly, no problems. Now the financial world has changed. Well frankly it is not up to PWC to publicly highlight concerns. They may well do it to the board, but if they were to do it publicly, that is what would ruin their reputation. With further respect, you need to grasp that what has happened in the past few months in the financial world is affecting everything - your banking, your bills, your ability to borrow money - and companies (including the Albion) are in exactly the same position. Now I'm a massive Albion fan - but my eyes are open. I don't want there to be gliches - all I'm saying is that there is a very fair chance there may be.
 


steward 433

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Nov 4, 2007
9,512
Brighton
I am fully aware what has happened to the financial sector over the past few months thanks. I am also aware of what is happening in the construction industry very much so and that includes knowing which of the 100 plus projects i have worked on over the last 18 months HAS been financed and which haven't.

My eyes are open.
 






countrygull

Active member
Jul 22, 2003
1,114
Horsham
''I'm in no way an expert on these things, but I read that this economic downturn might last a year to 18 months or so. This is a financial package that will be in place for 10/15/20/25/30 years.* Seeing as no-one knows how things will be in 5 or 10 years' time, surely the economic situation now ought not impact too heavily on the lifetime of the package? Perhaps someone can comment...?''

The problem with that is, that even if the financiers agree with your assertion of an 18 month downturn, then they may decide to 'sit tight' until there is evidence of any upturn.

Why would they consider to take the risk today ?

Banks remain historically generous in times of growth and likewise quite unyielding at other times.

I am sure there will be re-negotiations in the coming weeks and months, with the banks maybe trying to minimise their own risks whilst arguing for greater funding from other areas, either commercial or personal avenues.

OK having made my point to the Steward (one imagines of Martin Perry's seat) - I too fear the `renegotiations` issue. It doesn't matter whether the banks are in this for 1% or 100% - they are now being incredibly careful with their money. It could be that some smart-arsed banker looks again at our figures and just wonders how an average 6 thousand crowd at the Withdean will convert to a 12 plus thousand crowd at Falmer? We know it will be more - but we are fans, we are not bankers sitting in a London office looking at figures. I hate to be negative and actually, I don't think I am - but I am a realist and as such I realise that times they are a changing.
 










Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,093
Lancing
OK having made my point to the Steward (one imagines of Martin Perry's seat) - I too fear the `renegotiations` issue. It doesn't matter whether the banks are in this for 1% or 100% - they are now being incredibly careful with their money. It could be that some smart-arsed banker looks again at our figures and just wonders how an average 6 thousand crowd at the Withdean will convert to a 12 plus thousand crowd at Falmer? We know it will be more - but we are fans, we are not bankers sitting in a London office looking at figures. I hate to be negative and actually, I don't think I am - but I am a realist and as such I realise that times they are a changing.


Thats a good point and this is my take on it, we MUST be in the championship by the time we play at Falmer, ideally by next season, this is MORE important now than ever, if we are languishing in the 3rd division when we start at Falmer I do not think we will average 12000, if we are playing in the championship that is possible, thats why DK got rid of DW in part.

We need people back, we need to show we are a supported club, we need 7000 + tomorrow for example. With the Credit Crunch and lack of money we cannot assume people will flock to Falmer and line up like they did at they end of Field of Dreams, in 2 years time. Lets be realistic, the momentum was with us when we went up to the championship with McGhee 4 years ago. Relegation and now 3 years in the backwater of 3rd division of football and we are in danger of having a malaise growing around the club and dust settling.

It is IMERATIVE we go up this season and not assume if we don't the rest of the division will roll over for us next season thats why Naylor was so wrong in his assumptions pre season that not going up this season could be a good thing.

With this risk and uncertainty and the lack of money I would imagine the commercial finance will be 50% tops with the other 50% having to come from the club , its directors and benefactors.
 






Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,761
at home
With this risk and uncertainty and the lack of money I would imagine the commercial finance will be 50% tops with the other 50% having to come from the club , its directors and benefactors.


25 million from the club....what!!!!!!!
 


Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,761
at home
The credit crunch will only make attendances lower and for example how many will go tomorrow and miss Scunthorpe or vice versa as £50+ for two games in a week will be too much for some ?
I hope there is a Plan B out there because if the banks won't lend or won't lend enough that's it f***ed.[/QUOTE
 




Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,761
at home
Where did you get £50 million from Dave?

10 odd years ago the figures bandied around was about 35 million.....therefore a guess of 50 million seems conservative
 






Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,093
Lancing
25 million from the club....what!!!!!!!

Dave I am not an expert on Commercial Finance but I do not last year when lending was easy you needed a 25% deposit generally for Commercial as it was higher risk, with the credit crunch and ongoing uncertainty I would imagine that deposit is much higher at 40-50%.
 


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